It should be Murder?

[joshua 1 9]

That would be your misunderstanding of the theory.

You are wrong again. I am simply giving you the dictionary definition of evolution. Gradualism: "the hypothesis that evolution proceeds chiefly by the accumulation of gradual changes (in contrast to the punctuationist model)."

What part of "gradual changes" do you have a problem with understanding? If you want to argue for Punctuated Gradualism then present your argument. Of course the real issue with Eldridge and Goulds theory is that it is more like Catastrophic theory that evolutionists had been arguing against for over 100 years.

So what is it Belk, you have to choose one or the other. Is it slow change over long periods of time, or rapid change over short periods of time. Just what they do you want to claim to believe in? Just what theory do you support?

 

[Belk]

You are wrong again. I am simply giving you the dictionary definition of evolution. Gradualism: "the hypothesis that evolution proceeds chiefly by the accumulation of gradual changes (in contrast to the punctuationist model)."

What part of "gradual changes" do you have a problem with understanding? If you want to argue for Punctuated Gradualism then present your argument. Of course the real issue with Eldridge and Goulds theory is that it is more like Catastrophic theory that evolutionists had been arguing against for over 100 years.

So what is it Belk, you have to choose one or the other. Is it slow change over long periods of time, or rapid change over short periods of time. Just what they do you want to claim to believe in? Just what theory do you support?

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/140204_diabetes

 

[joshua 1 9]

That is incorrect. Hence why people are not in jail.

The belief is they go to jail when they die. Some call it hell. The point being that there is absolute Justice in the universe. The laws are exact and precise. Only there is a delay because people are given time to repent. To ask for forgiveness for their sins and transgressions. But if they are not willing to repent, and turn away from their sin, then they will be punished for the harm that they do to others, in this case the unborn babies. Your argument seems to be that you can harm others all you want and somehow someway you will get away with that. The prisons are filled with people with that very same attitude.

You can tell the difference between who is a Christian and who is not by the way they react when they do sin. The non christian is hardened and does not feel anything. The christian still has a soft heart before God and they feel grief over the sin that they have done and they cry out to God to help them and to deliver them from their transgressions. God is searching the Earth for those who are willing to be rescued, saved, redeemed and delivered. All of Heaven rejoices when a sinner repents and turns away from their sin. Even when people have empathy it will show up on a brain scan. It is in a community center or church where people learn how to have empathy for others. Or you can send soldiers to war and try to harden them so that they can kill others and have no empathy or regard for the harm they do to others.

For Muslims there are three groups of people. There are your fellow Muslims, there are non Muslims that receive the same protection and regard as your fellow Muslims. Then there are infidels and you are free to treat them anyway you want. You can rob, kill, steal or destroy, you can rape and plunder, because they are infidels and do not deserve to be treated right. The question then is who is the infidels and who should be treated with respect.

You are treating the unborn baby as an infidel. Yet they are innocent and pure and have never sinned or transgressed. God then is watching over the innocent and he will hold hold those who harm the innocent guilty IF they do not repent and turn away from their sin and their transgressions.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That is incorrect. Hence why people are not in jail.

You are looking at man's law, not God's law. Man is given the freedom to do what he wants. But in the end he will be held accountable. He will be judged. If you do good your will receive a reward. If you do evil you will be punished for the harm you have done. There is a delay because God gives people time to repent and time to turn away from their sin.

2 Peter 3:9(KJV) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

God's laws are universal and a part of the very fabric of the universe. The very atoms that make up matter are governed by God's laws. Both the micro and the macro. Even though the laws of physics are different for the macro compared to the micro world that we are a part of. In the same way there are two sets of laws that regulate your life. God's law and man's law. You should have regard for both of them. Paul says: "But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not carry the sword in vain. He is God's servant, an agent of retribution to the wrongdoer." There is the law of grace and there is the law of sin and death.

No Condemnation in Christ
1Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. (Romans 8)

 

[joshua 1 9]

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/140204_diabetes

I am talking about the studies that show: "Countries that mix high-fructose corn syrup into processed foods and soft drinks have higher rates of diabetes than countries that don’t use the sweetener"

"The researchers found that countries using high-fructose corn syrup had rates of diabetes that were about 20% higher than countries that didn’t mix the sweetener into foods."

http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20121127/high-fructose-corn-syrup-diabetes

That "new" coke we are drinking is made out of high-fructose corn syrup and it comes with a 20% increased risk of diabetes. I am on a very strict diet and I have been through a lot of classes on this stuff. Some people feel that the Palio Diet is the very best diet for us: a diet based on the types of foods presumed to have been eaten by early humans. We are to do all we can to avoid processed foods. If we want to live long and be healthy.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I know more about evolution then most people alive in the world today.

Lol. Riiiiiiight...

Given the contents of the rest of your post, it's pretty evident to even someone with no background at all in evolution that you don't understand. All it takes is Google and about 5 minutes...

 

[ToddNotTodd]

The gas chambers in Nazi Germany used chemicals to kill millions of Jews, so by your logic, since it did not leave any physical scars, it was not a horrific act or could not be evidenced to be a horrific act.

Regardless of when the abortion is performed, it is still a incredibly traumatic act to end a life.

Comparing fetuses and Jews in WWII is intellectually dishonest and lazy.

 

[Belk]

The belief is they go to jail when they die. Some call it hell. The point being that there is absolute Justice in the universe. The laws are exact and precise. Only there is a delay because people are given time to repent. To ask for forgiveness for their sins and transgressions. But if they are not willing to repent, and turn away from their sin, then they will be punished for the harm that they do to others, in this case the unborn babies. Your argument seems to be that you can harm others all you want and somehow someway you will get away with that. The prisons are filled with people with that very same attitude.

You can tell the difference between who is a Christian and who is not by the way they react when they do sin. The non christian is hardened and does not feel anything. The christian still has a soft heart before God and they feel grief over the sin that they have done and they cry out to God to help them and to deliver them from their transgressions. God is searching the Earth for those who are willing to be rescued, saved, redeemed and delivered. All of Heaven rejoices when a sinner repents and turns away from their sin. Even when people have empathy it will show up on a brain scan. It is in a community center or church where people learn how to have empathy for others. Or you can send soldiers to war and try to harden them so that they can kill others and have no empathy or regard for the harm they do to others.

For Muslims there are three groups of people. There are your fellow Muslims, there are non Muslims that receive the same protection and regard as your fellow Muslims. Then there are infidels and you are free to treat them anyway you want. You can rob, kill, steal or destroy, you can rape and plunder, because they are infidels and do not deserve to be treated right. The question then is who is the infidels and who should be treated with respect.

You are treating the unborn baby as an infidel. Yet they are innocent and pure and have never sinned or transgressed. God then is watching over the innocent and he will hold hold those who harm the innocent guilty IF they do not repent and turn away from their sin and their transgressions.

 

[Belk]

You are looking at man's law, not God's law. Man is given the freedom to do what he wants. But in the end he will be held accountable. He will be judged. If you do good your will receive a reward. If you do evil you will be punished for the harm you have done. There is a delay because God gives people time to repent and time to turn away from their sin.

2 Peter 3:9(KJV) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

God's laws are universal and a part of the very fabric of the universe. The very atoms that make up matter are governed by God's laws. Both the micro and the macro. Even though the laws of physics are different for the macro compared to the micro world that we are a part of. In the same way there are two sets of laws that regulate your life. God's law and man's law. You should have regard for both of them. Paul says: "But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not carry the sword in vain. He is God's servant, an agent of retribution to the wrongdoer." There is the law of grace and there is the law of sin and death.

No Condemnation in Christ
1Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. (Romans 8)

Those are the ones that are pertinent, yes.

 

[Hoghead1]

I find the idea of hell totally incompatible with the concept that God is a God of love. When you truly love someone, you do not seek to coerce them by threats of terrible punishment. There has been enough misery in the world already. We certainly don't need any more in the hereafter. I believe in a universal salvation. I feel that is the only way toward any real sense of justice. In the Hereafter, we are free of the need and worry about our survival. Hence, it is no longer a matter of us against them. In turn, this means all barriers, all boundaries between the self and others are lifted and transcended. This leads to every single soul entering into an empathic relationship with every other. Each shares in the feelings of the others. The perpetrator comes to directly experience the feelings of the victim. The perpetrator does suffer, as he or she shares in all the pain and sorrow they caused. Hence, this is not cheap grace. Yes, Hitler, too, is saved. But remember, he will experience all the pain and suffering he inflicted on the Jews. And the victims will be able to discharge their negative feelings, by projecting them into the perpetrators. Also, the victims will enjoy an empathic relationship with the feelings of the perpetrators. In this way, everyone exists in an empathic bond; and since empathy is that basis for all love, all fall into a loving harmony with one another.

 

[JoeP222w]

That is incorrect. Hence why people are not in jail.

God's law, not sinful man's law.

 

[JoeP222w]

Comparing fetuses and Jews in WWII is intellectually dishonest and lazy.

I would refer to the conversation line that led to my comment.

It is not an exact analogy, certainly. Because the genocide of more than 55 million babies since Roe v. Wade passed is far more egregious horror than the genocide of 6 million Jews in Nazi Germany.

 

[nomadictheist]

I find the idea of hell totally incompatible with the concept that God is a God of love. When you truly love someone, you do not seek to coerce them by threats of terrible punishment. There has been enough misery in the world already. We certainly don't need any more in the hereafter. I believe in a universal salvation. I feel that is the only way toward any real sense of justice. In the Hereafter, we are free of the need and worry about our survival. Hence, it is no longer a matter of us against them. In turn, this means all barriers, all boundaries between the self and others are lifted and transcended. This leads to every single soul entering into an empathic relationship with every other. Each shares in the feelings of the others. The perpetrator comes to directly experience the feelings of the victim. The perpetrator does suffer, as he or she shares in all the pain and sorrow they caused. Hence, this is not cheap grace. Yes, Hitler, too, is saved. But remember, he will experience all the pain and suffering he inflicted on the Jews. And the victims will be able to discharge their negative feelings, by projecting them into the perpetrators. Also, the victims will enjoy an empathic relationship with the feelings of the perpetrators. In this way, everyone exists in an empathic bond; and since empathy is that basis for all love, all fall into a loving harmony with one another.

That's not a discussion for this thread

 

[JoeP222w]

The Nazi felt that the gas chambers were VERY humane. The whole point was that Germany did not want them anymore. The problem was no one would take them. So they were put on the train ready to transport and there was no where to take them. People were dieing there at the train station. Sense they were going to die anyways, they wanted to be more humane and put them out of their misery. They used the exhaust from the trucks that were there to transport them to their new home. The new home that no one would give or provide for them. They built showers and told them that they were going to take a shower so that they would not panic. They even used tiles in the showers that were the very same tiles used in the Hebrew public bath houses.

Then they had to use prisoners to pick their dead bodies up and put them in the furnace. They would give the prisoners drugs. So it was dirty work that the drug addicts did to be able to continue to take the drugs that they wanted.

The Nazis were extremely evil, regardless of what they felt about it.

 

[Hoghead1]

I think all this Nazi talk is insensitive and irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I would refer to the conversation line that led to my comment.

It is not an exact analogy, certainly. Because the genocide of more than 55 million babies since Roe v. Wade passed is far more egregious horror than the genocide of 6 million Jews in Nazi Germany.

Once again...

Comparing the two at all is intellectually dishonest and lazy. And it doesn't fool the people that you're ostensibly trying to reach...

 

[Hoghead1]

Any serious scholar, Joshua 19, will tell you that dictionaries are definitely not the final word and are often very inaccurate in what they say. In the case of evolution, generally it is a slow process. However, it can be very rapid. 65 million years age, a large meteorites hit in the Yucatan Peninsula, and bamo, overnight all the dinosaurs went extinct. So again, I say that evolution can be very rapid.

 

[Belk]

God's law, not sinful man's law.

I do not find you a credible arbiter of the laws of an infinite being.

 

[Belk]

The Nazis were extremely evil, regardless of what they felt about it.

No, the Nazi's were human. Some of whom did some incredibly evil things.

 

[Hoghead1]

I don't think anyone is addressing the real issue here. The issue is not whether or not the fetus is alive. it vey clearly is alive, period. The question is when does that fetus become a human person, when does it become you?