It should be Murder?

[SteveB28]

A victim of a crime is not entitled to commit murder. There is no way of unrape the victim. You simply submit the poor girl to a second violation--this time by metal instruments.

Answer the question. Would you have a young girl, pregnant through rape or incest, arrested on murder charges if she seeks to have her pregnancy terminated?

It really should be an easy question for you black-white thinkers.

 

[SteveB28]

When Hitler was in power, they were facts, and look how this ended. We are repeating his moral mistakes with impunity!

By allowing people to make their own decisions? Is this what Adolf did?

I think someone is losing the plot.

 

[SteveB28]

Always? Really? How about the Hippocratic Oath which was recognized by the medical profession since before the Christian Era? Said oath prohibited abortion.

Oh really? My great niece has recently completed her medical training and has recited the Oath.

Please show me the section she would have repeated which swears against abortion.

 

[SteveB28]

We use common sense, and common sense tells me that killing an innocent human being who is not guilty of a crime should not be executed by dismemberment or poisoning.

Your sentence makes no sense, grammatically or logically.

 

[SteveB28]

Is execution the way society deal with "attempted" murder? Where?

I was responding to someone who favours the even crazier notion that a woman should be executed if she procures, or attempts to procure, an abortion.

Perhaps you should read further before blundering in?

 

[SteveB28]

I do! There is a fundamental moral difference between killing an innocent human being and executing a hardened criminal.

But you are in favour of calling abortion 'murder' are you not? You would have the young girl, pregnant through rape or incest, branded as a murderer if she aborts the pregnancy, correct?

Is she a "hardened criminal"? Do you call for her execution?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Yes, if only those diabetics ate right. Or had been born able to produce insulin.

According to the theory of evolution they just need a few million years to get it all straightened out.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

According to the theory of evolution they just need a few million years to get it all straightened out.

Knowledge about evolution is not your strong suit...

 

[JoeP222w]

You should probably research these things a little before making such pronouncements. What makes you think an artificial abortion is any more violent or traumatic than a natural one?

Probes, knives, clamps invading the womb leaves terrible scars and does a significant higher amount of damage than a miscarriage. Not to mention the child that comes out of the womb, torn limb from limb and with their head crushed from the abortionists murder weapons.

 

[JoeP222w]

Again, you are incorrect. An abortion is a choice by the mother to not be pregnant. The death of the fetus is a result of that.

Abortion is a choice to murder another human being, not simply a choice to not be pregnant.

 

[SteveB28]

Probes, knives, clamps invading the womb leaves terrible scars and does a significant higher amount of damage than a miscarriage. Not to mention the child that comes out of the womb, torn limb from limb and with their head crushed from the abortionists murder weapons.

Someone should inform you that many abortions can be performed through chemical means, which leave no scarring.

In addition, I see statistics which indicate that the vast majority of abortions are performed within the first few weeks of pregnancy, so do not require the dramatic intervention that you describe.

But don't let anyone get in the way of your horror story, will you?

 

[SteveB28]

Abortion is a choice to murder another human being, not simply a choice to not be pregnant.

So you say. But you are demonstrably wrong.

 

[SteveB28]

Knowledge about evolution is not your strong suit...

 

[JoeP222w]

Someone should inform you that many abortions can be performed through chemical means, which leave no scarring.

In addition, I see statistics which indicate that the vast majority of abortions are performed within the first few weeks of pregnancy, so do not require the dramatic intervention that you describe.

But don't let anyone get in the way of your horror story, will you?

The gas chambers in Nazi Germany used chemicals to kill millions of Jews, so by your logic, since it did not leave any physical scars, it was not a horrific act or could not be evidenced to be a horrific act.

Regardless of when the abortion is performed, it is still a incredibly traumatic act to end a life.

 

[SteveB28]

The gas chambers in Nazi Germany used chemicals to kill millions of Jews, so by your logic, since it did not leave any physical scars, it was not a horrific act or could not be evidenced to be a horrific act.

Regardless of when the abortion is performed, it is still a incredibly traumatic act to end a life.

Please try not to reference 'logic'. You obviously have no idea at all about how it works.

Watch carefully. You present a picture that abortions involve this horribly invasive surgery which leaves scars and results in limbs being torn apart.

I explain to you that, in the vast majority of abortions, none of this take place.

You leap immediately to gas chambers in Germany and think this somehow displays logic.

Please try again.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Knowledge about evolution is not your strong suit...

I know more about evolution then most people alive in the world today. So from your perspective it is a non existant theory that no one knows anything about. So why worry about something that you claim is so obscure.

The real issue is that I understand the theory good enough to point out the many contradictions and inconsistencys. So it must be you that does not understand the theory. You are accusing me of the very thing you are guilty of.

In this case we are talking about how evolution is based on slow gradual change over a long period of time. They call this gradualism. Only recently our food is being tampered with and they are making big changes in a short period of time. The people that eat the food have not evolved in order to be able to deal with the food in its current state. So this results in a lot of sickness and illness. Cancer, diabetes, heart disease and so on.

Over a long period of time evolution would resolve the issue by reproducing the people who are better able to process the new food. As Planck says, change comes when the old generations die off. The new better adapted generations then take over.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So you say. But you are demonstrably wrong.

In the real world you are the one that is wrong. When you take the DNA from a male and a female you have a new human. Not only a human but your own flesh and blood. Your own son or daughter. Abortions kill your own children. They go to heaven. If people do not repent then they will not go onto heaven to be with their children.

Heaven is like another planet here in this universe. Only it is larger then the Earth that is small in comparison. Everyone goes somewhere when they die. Some are promoted and some are demoted. Can you imagine to spend your whole life and in the end to be worse off then when you began? That would be like going all the way through school and in the end you flunk out and do not graduate. Because you did not learn what you were there to learn.

People receive rewards or punishments. Rewards when they do good, punishments when they are evil or do bad. I can not imagine that it is a good thing to harm your own children or any children. That to me is evil to harm the innocent. Even we are not to harm evil people. We are to return good for evil. God is a God of absolute Justice. In the end everyone will receive exactly what they earned be it good or evil. Only to receive forgiveness that is the work of Jesus. He died for our sins so that we can be forgiven. IF we repent and turn away from our sin and begin to live right before God.

 

[Belk]

According to the theory of evolution they just need a few million years to get it all straightened out.

That would be your misunderstanding of the theory.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The gas chambers in Nazi Germany used chemicals to kill millions of Jews, so by your logic, since it did not leave any physical scars, it was not a horrific act or could not be evidenced to be a horrific act.

Regardless of when the abortion is performed, it is still a incredibly traumatic act to end a life.

The Nazi felt that the gas chambers were VERY humane. The whole point was that Germany did not want them anymore. The problem was no one would take them. So they were put on the train ready to transport and there was no where to take them. People were dieing there at the train station. Sense they were going to die anyways, they wanted to be more humane and put them out of their misery. They used the exhaust from the trucks that were there to transport them to their new home. The new home that no one would give or provide for them. They built showers and told them that they were going to take a shower so that they would not panic. They even used tiles in the showers that were the very same tiles used in the Hebrew public bath houses.

Then they had to use prisoners to pick their dead bodies up and put them in the furnace. They would give the prisoners drugs. So it was dirty work that the drug addicts did to be able to continue to take the drugs that they wanted.

 

[Belk]

Abortion is a choice to murder another human being, not simply a choice to not be pregnant.

That is incorrect. Hence why people are not in jail.