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exactly!So if it's a natural miscarriage there's no need to investigate. But how do you determine if it is a natural miscarriage without investigating..?
No alternative? I can easily think of one.
Have the baby.
If a first trimester abortion (spontaneous or otherwise) doesn't demand a criminal investigation, then a fetus doesn't have the same rights as a born human being.So no need to investigate then, unless someone reports it.
If abortions were actually classified as murder, they'd be handled like any murder case would be.
First Degree Murder: if the mother premeditated the murder of the baby (gave it thought, planned it, and executed it in a cool and deliberate manner.) So if there were evidence that the mother went to a doctor, and had a abortion, it'd be first degree probably, pretty easy for the jury to infer premeditation there.
Second Degree Murder: Second Degree Murder is known as reckless and depraved heart murder. You might not have intended to kill the baby, but you certainly acted indifferent towards it's life. For example, if the mother snorted cocaine and drank heavily, resulting in the death of the baby, it might be second degree murder, if you have the evidence to prove the baby died as a result of drug or alcohol abuse.
Accidental deaths as the result of negligence, would be involuntary manslaughter.
It'd probably be much easier to prove murder in abortion cases than regular old murder, kinda hard to hide the fact you used to be pregnant and now aren't, also hard to hide medical records, or lack there of.
It'd be awfully suspicious to show up one day with no pregnant belly 6 months in, there'd be a lot of explaining to do.
We could set up a brand new government bureaucracy with a cabinet minister in charge. Clinics scattered around the country, ten thousand should do it, to which women are required to report monthly for pregnancy and drug testing. Yeah, that ought to handle it. For ease of tracking and processing it would help if we chipped all the women.
I think if you did a back alley abortion, your body would show it.
And what is the number for enormous?
But, until the woman is examined, it would not be known if she has had an abortion or has miscarried!
IS YOUR BRILLIANT LAW GOING TO DEMAND THAT EVERY WOMAN THAT EXPERIENCES A TERMINATION OF A PREGNANCY WILL HAVE TO UNDERGO SOME FORM OF EXAMINATION TO DETERMINE THAT SHE DIDNT CAUSE THE TERMINATION!?
So no need to investigate then, unless someone reports it.
Oh, but according to you lot, a murder may have occurred! Police don't require a complaint to investigate a murder, do they?
You haven't thought this through very well at all, have you? You want to be able to dictate to women what they should and should not do, but haven't spent a moment on pondering the consequences.
And, for those who may think this is all highly theoretical:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ailed-for-feticide-its-never-happened-before/
So no need to investigate then, unless someone reports it.
Except for cases where there's someone who's going to kill you (and therefore the baby as well) if you let people know you're pregnant...but I suppose you would say that she's morally obligated to hide in a shelter for the next few years because she was raped.No alternative? I can easily think of one.
Have the baby.
It'd be awfully suspicious to show up one day with no pregnant belly 6 months in, there'd be a lot of explaining to do.
Are you asking how would a law against abortion prevent abortions from happening? Or do you mean how should it be punished after the fact?I see many here who would wish to deny a woman the right to terminate a pregnancy, by declaring that it would be an act of murder.
And yet I also see those same people running away from this question:
How would such a law be enforced?
by making it against the law and arrest and bring to trial those who break the law just like we do with other people who break the law . Innocent until (if) proven guilty like all other criminal suspects .I see many here who would wish to deny a woman the right to terminate a pregnancy, by declaring that it would be an act of murder.
And yet I also see those same people running away from this question:
How would such a law be enforced?
investigate and if they believe it is murder charges should be brought by a prosecutor and the the legal process goes forward in the same way as anyone who is suspected of committing a crime .For example, if it is reported to the authorities that a woman who was known to be pregnant is no longer so, how should they proceed?
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