It should be Murder?

[SteveB28]

I applaud you. Seriously. Most people, it seems, never bother to consider this issue so complexly. They seriously think that pre-1960s was a joyful time of nuclear families, moral victories, and free prosperity for all, without domestic violence, marital rape, or anything else that would complicate their rosy view.

I lived through it miss, admittedly in a different country, but very similar to the USA I would venture.

It was not pretty. Although my own family was not touched by the pain and sadness of procuring illegal abortion, any number of sorrowful stories abounded in the 30's, 40's and 50's of women of all ages forfeiting their health and even their lives in seeking what should have been a safe and simple procedure.

The fools whose simple remedy is "just have the baby" make only one thing clear....they have never had to walk an inch in the shoes of those so desperate.

 

[redleghunter]

No. You are the second person today, eager to put words into the mouth of another. Further sure sign of a lost argument.

It's a sign no one wants to face facts.

 

[SteveB28]

No I did not say that. I said you go after the illegal providers.

In your case above there would be no investigation because their was not an intentional abortion.

The law is all about evidence and intent.



I don't know what country you live in but that's how it works here.

How. Would. You. Know. That. The. Abortion. Was. "Unintentional". Unless. The. Death. Was. Investigated!?

 

[SteveB28]

It's a sign no one wants to face facts.

Yes, I would agree! Trying to put words into my mouth is also that!

 

[SteveB28]

Actually the reality is another human life is at stake. I know you don't believe that or you do and rationalize it's still ok to knowingly kill another life.

Yes, run away from the point again. We were talking about the reality of women continuing to procure abortions, even if the providers were prosecuted.

Run rabbit, run.

 

[DaisyDay]

You face the same problem when a woman is guilty of murdering an adult!

Self-defense.

 

[Uncle Siggy]

Which opens the door for further dehumanization of the infirm, mentally challenged, elderly, sick you name it.

Seems to me I remember a political figure saying "We have to get back to the good old days to progress". Obviously it was someone who was a supporter of Margaret Sanger and Hitler...

You do know you're wasting your breath, the only way some here will care is if what you say comes true and the government they voted for tells them it's their time to kill themselves off for the good of the Empire...

 

[Belk]

A woman is designed to accept the forming child in her womb.

They usually get big around the stomach area when getting close to term. I'm sure you've seen pictures.

That's nice. Still does not change the fact that bodily integrity always trumps a second parties right to life.

 

[Belk]

Overturning Roe involves more than presenting scientific evidence. It requires we get non ideologues sitting in those 9 chairs.

Oh of course. It is not that your argument doesn't hold up under scrutiny, it is that everyone is aligned against you.

Roe v. Wade had everything to do with ideology and little to do with factual scientific evidence.

It had nothing to do with scientific fact because when human tissue becomes a person is not a scientific question.

 

[redleghunter]

Yes, run away from the point again. We were talking about the reality of women continuing to procure abortions, even if the providers were prosecuted.

Run rabbit, run.

Rabbit is good food. Battered and deep fried is best. Texas Hare is quite delicious if can catch one with a good hunting dog. I have such one. A German Shepherd-Bassett Hound mix who can hop as high as a hare.

But we digress.

Your OP addressed laws as enforcing them. I believe you have had several suitable answers. Now you are appealing to emotionalism as a justification for not employing a law. Laws are laws they are not emotions.

 

[nomadictheist]

You are.



Correct.

Wait for it........



And there it is. I have said no such thing. You are lying.

Talk to yourself until you choose to speak honestly......

Really?

I just laid out exactly what you said, and you still deny it?

1. You said this is a discussion about what the law should be.

2. I said that I was discussing what the law morally should be.

3. You said that's a topic for a different discussion.

4. So, to be clear, you said that anyone who wants to discuss the morality of changing the law shouldn't be discussing it on a forum discussing what the law should be. Regardless of whether you used the exact words, this is a clear statement that the law should not be based on moral standards.

You are the one that is lying, just like you're lying about the abortion rates going down after abortion was legalized. As the study cited in the Washington Post showed, abortion rates actually climbed rapidly in the years immediately following the Roe v. Wade case, with experts adding that there were still many illegal abortions taking place that weren't even accounted for in those numbers.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Good thing I don't live in a theocracy, then. Not relevant to me or my rights. My body is my own.

Did you design it? Whoever designed the human body is the owner!

 

[joshua 1 9]

The fools whose simple remedy is "just have the baby" make only one thing clear....they have never had to walk an inch in the shoes of those so desperate.

The so called: "fools" are the ones that are having the baby. This is a test and God says to choose LIFE. Yet it is still a choice. WE hope that people would make the right choice and not kill their own child. Back during the time of slavery a father could sell their child into slavery if they wanted to. We would hope that they would not, but they had that choice they had that option. Today a mother can sell a daughter into prostitution. She can sell her daughters virginity. We would hope that a mother would not do that to her daughter but she has that choice. God gives us choices and He hopes that we make the right choice. I would hope that a parent would not kill their own child. Or that a child would not kill their parents. But they can if they want. God gives them that choice. He wants for them to make the right choice but still it is their choice to make.

 

[Belk]

Did you design it? Whoever designed the human body is the owner!

I don't think it works like that. I own my car, not the guy who designed it.

 

[Cearbhall]

Did you design it? Whoever designed the human body is the owner!

I don't believe there was an intelligent designer, nor does my government recognize one.

Are you in the U.S.? Surely you know that religion is irrelevant to our legal rights.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Good thing I don't live in a theocracy, then. Not relevant to me or my rights. My body is my own.

The wages of sin is death. You can sin all you want with your body, but the end result is going to be death and destruction. You can not escape from the consequences of sin. It is your choice if that is what you want. We are just trying to help you see what the options are so you can make your choice in full knowledge of the truth and not out of deception.

 

[Cearbhall]

A woman is designed to accept the forming child in her womb.

Well, it's a good thing I don't worship evolution as a god.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I don't think it works like that. I own my car, not the guy who designed it.

You can only use the car in the way it was designed to be used.

 

[Cearbhall]

You can only use the car in the way it was designed to be used.

Actually, I can do quite a lot of other things with my body besides acting as a baby-making machine.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

By world standards, you folk commit a wildly disproportionate number of your citizens to prison. And you want even more to face that fate?

We prosecute lesser crimes like rape, sexual abuse of children and car thefts. I my car is stolen, I can buy another. A life stolen can never be replaced. The criminal act is is final. Can't we use common sense?