It seems to me.....

[Micah888]

As an ex-Christian, I am still a little angry that I believed Christianity for so long, and the continued existence of Christian faith in others reawakens this anger.

The only one you can rightly be angry with is yourself.

I feel by watching people around me in real life continue to sleepwalk and being unable to help them.

I'm sure you've heard of the gurus and maharishis which abound. You could always choose to be a guru and help people wake up.

In other words, you have no excuses.

 

[cloudyday2]

The only one you can rightly be angry with is yourself.

I'm sure you've heard of the gurus and maharishis which abound. You could always choose to be a guru and help people wake up.

In other words, you have no excuses.

I'm not sure how to reply, because I don't know what you are responding too. Where was I making an excuse?

But it doesn't matter. I don't feel like arguing over silly hair-splitting. If you believe I am making excuses, then that is fine. There are more important things for both of us to think about than this.

 

[Gene2memE]

...that atheists are more distressed about the belief of Christians than Christians are about the disbelief of atheists (on these boards). Thoughts, from either side?

I'm not distressed about Christian beliefs per se. At least, not the whole belief in a deity thing.

What does distress me is people holding demonstrably false beliefs about the real world, and then attempting to promulgate them. Fundamental and elementary stuff, like basic biology, history, geology and paleontology.

I don't think this comes from me being an atheist though, more from having been an educator.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Which beliefs should people have, that would please you?

You mean which behaviors should people have, that would please me. Ask yourself that question and I'm sure we'll find common ground.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Specific examples please, of atheism being preached in school.

Liberalism, situation ethics.

 

[Gene2memE]

Liberalism, situation ethics.

Neither of which is atheism, or required by atheism.

You can be anti-liberalist, and still be an atheist.
You can ascribe to objective morality, and still be an atheist.

 

[Micah888]

I'm not sure how to reply, because I don't know what you are responding too.

I'm responding to your anger that Christians are still preaching Christ. If you believe you made mistake in obeying the Gospel, your anger should not be directed outward.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Neither of which is atheism, or required by atheism.

You can be anti-liberalist, and still be an atheist.
You can ascribe to objective morality, and still be an atheist.

It leads the student towards atheism, and as has been noted by atheists education replaces religious belief (if there was any in the first place).

 

[pitabread]

Liberalism, situation ethics.

Which are not atheism.

If you're going to make a claim about atheism being "preached" in schools, then by all means back it up with facts. If not, well...

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Which are not atheism.

If you're going to make a claim about atheism being "preached" in schools, then by all means back it up with facts. If not, well...

See post #48.

 

[Gene2memE]

It leads the student towards atheism, and as has been noted by atheists education replaces religious belief (if there was any in the first place).

There's a mildly positive correlation between increased levels of formal education and lower levels of religiosity. So what?

Neither 'liberalism' as a political philosophy or 'situational ethics' as a moral philosophy have anything to do with atheism. Atheism is a single stance on a single question. It requires no other sets of belief that come with it.

 

[pitabread]

See post #48.

You still haven't supported what you claimed, which for the record was this: "They're preaching it [atheism] to your kids, in school."

Claiming that there are teachings that you feel lead kids to atheism (which you also haven't supported) isn't the same thing as claiming atheism is being preached in schools.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

There's a mildly positive correlation between increased levels of formal education and lower levels of religiosity. So what?

Neither 'liberalism' as a political philosophy or 'situational ethics' as a moral philosophy have anything to do with atheism. Atheism is a single stance on a single question. It requires not other sets of belief that come with it.

So teaching Godless liberalism and situation ethics doesn't push the indecisive student towards atheism?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You still haven't supported what you claimed, which for the record was this: "They're preaching it [atheism] to your kids, in school."

Claiming that there are teachings that you feel lead kids to atheism (which you also haven't supported) isn't the same thing as claiming atheism is being preached in schools.

What I meant by 'preached' is that it is being deliberately taught.

 

[pitabread]

What I meant by 'preached' is that it is being deliberately taught.

I know what you meant. But you still haven't offered any evidence that atheism is being taught in schools.

 

[pitabread]

So teaching Godless liberalism and situation ethics doesn't push the indecisive student towards atheism?

This may come as a surprise, but not explicitly including God is not the same thing as teaching there is no God.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I know what you meant. But you still haven't offered any evidence that atheism is being taught in schools.

If something is learned in school it's probably being taught.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This may come as a surprise, but not explicitly including God is not the same thing as teaching there is no God.

The message is subtle, but the kids get it, especially in the sciences.

 

[bhsmte]

Liberalism, situation ethics.

Is this your final answer?

 

[pitabread]

The message is subtle, but the kids get it, especially in the sciences.

I think we've established that you can't support this claim. If you decide to support it with actual evidence, then feel free to do so. Otherwise, I'm going to toss this one in the bin.