Israel's future and Pat: Your view

[Tishri1]

Tish--answer me this: who are the "Children" of the promise made to Abraham?

K

well they are not Arabs, Romans, American, Russians or even Jews who DO NOT believe in Yeshua as King....but the story isn't over yet, and in the mean time while we wait the land belongs to the Jews

hey it probably doesn't even matter what I think cuz the Jews in leadership don't even appreciate that ABBA doesn't want them to give away the land...They are set stubbornly on this road of disobedience to God so I guess My opinion is just that an "opinion "in man's eyes...but I am praying for them everyday especially for the Messianic Jews who suffer everyday over there

 

[Jesus Is Real]

I'm going to bed now. Play nice, all of you...don't start a fight without me and make me miss all the fun.

JUST LOOK FOR JESUS!!!

HE'S A BLAST!!

NIGHT YOUNG LADY!!

 

[GraceInHim]

watching the olympics.. looks like they are worshipping the fire G-d..LOL...

 

[GraceInHim]

Luciano looks like dracula.. who did his eyebrows.. lol.. sorry

 

[Jesus Is Real]

well they are not Arabs, Romans, American, Russians or even Jews who DO NOT believe in Yeshua as King....but the story isn't over yet, and in the mean time while we wait the land belongs to the Jews

hey it probably doesn't even matter what I think cuz the Jews in leadership don't even appreciate that ABBA doesn't want them to give away the land...They are set stubbornly on this road of disobedience to God so I guess My opinion is just that an "opinion "in man's eyes...but I am praying for them everyday especially for the Messianic Jews who suffer everyday over there

Tishri1,

God wants to get the strife out of us,.....as the Children of Israel had while in Egypt,....but many strove with The Lord and with Moses,.......and didn't enter in the promised Land.

Moses EVEN missing this opportunity as well.

EVEN MOSES!!!!-----> He "Experienced God" but still lost THE LAND:

And many have died in the Land now,.....some due to strivings with Their Maker,....just like us when we strive and fuss.

And when we can be stopped by God's Spirit---of our strife and debatings and such, then we can with Pure Hands receive His Grace to have Mercy aright towards The Natural Olive Tree branches. If we WILL crucify our own flesh to cease from sin.

I think even I'm an infant when it comes to this issue.

In my heart of hearts.......if Israel will acknowledge their need for God and stop striving JESUS WILL COME,....but while Gentiles and even Christian's are still striving then we have not fully come in yet now have we?

A PROPHET MUST AS WELL PONDER THIS TOO.

I am beginning to understand that our own strivings about this, is somehow delaying ISRAEL'S TIME, because we in the Body of Christ are still all up in strife.

In God's Fear,
Connie

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Luciano looks like dracula.. who did his eyebrows.. lol.. sorry

YEP........WE ARE STILL PLAYING WITH OUR MANY TOYS AND MAKE-UPS.

THUS ISRAEL, IS DELAYED OF HER PROMISES OF JESUS COMING MAINLY - FOR THEIR SALVATION,...because of our own hinderances. No wonder Paul warns of so many things.....but when heeded it's actually LOVE UNTO GOD AND UNTO OTHERS!!!

WHICH IS GOD'S WHOLE LAW, EH?

 

[Tishri1]

Tishri1,

Yes,........they have had a hard brunt of God's Wrath on them especially since rejecting Christ

jsisrl I was talking about Jewish Believers...Messianic Jews, they never rejected Him maybe you misunderstood me

 

[Jesus Is Real]

jsisrl I was talking about Jewish Believers...Messianic Jews, they never rejected Him maybe you misunderstood me

I'm sure I did. Thanks. Call me "Connie"

I see their hurt....that's why I responded as such.

COMFORT YE, COMFORT YE MY PEOPLE!!!!

 

[Tishri1]

If this were true, there would not be remnants of Jewish temple worship in the Orthodox Church to this day.

again I'm not talking about Yeshuas disciples

 

[Oblio]

jsisrl I was talking about Jewish Believers...Messianic Jews, they never rejected Him maybe you misunderstood me

So, you meant Christians

It was certainly ambiguous to me (and probably others) when I made my reply earlier.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

So, you meant Christians

It was certainly ambiguous to me (and probably others) when I made my reply earlier.

Oblio,

If Tishri1 wishes to call them, as I do too,....."Messianic believers" it's ok. There should be no strife on this point.


Move on, eh? From that matter at least it kind of looks like being pushy.


So, do you have any 'Grand-Sugars' for your parents yet?

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Isa 40:1-5
0:1 Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.

2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD's hand double for all her sins.

3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Isa 51:3-4
3 For the LORD shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the LORD; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.

4 Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.
KJV

Isa 51:22-52:7
22 Thus saith thy Lord the LORD, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again:

23 But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over.


Isaiah 52

52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

2 Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive daughter of Zion.

3 For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed without money.

4 For thus saith the Lord GOD, My people went down aforetime into Egypt to sojourn there; and the Assyrian oppressed them without cause.

5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.

6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
KJV


KJV

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[Tishri1]

Tishri, the Apostles said that circumcision was not necessary to enter into the new covenant with God. God had accepted Gentile and Jew alike. Baptism, in some ways, was and is the new circumcision.

I know that! That was the #1 issue between the Believing Gentiles and the Jews in power at that time...How can these be Filled with the Power of God's Ruach HaKodesh and not be circumcised like us? Of course the Apostles new why...because their Man Made Conversion which included circumcision was not nessessary for salvation....yet there was a thorn- in- the -flesh group out there constantly harrassing these new converts to get converted anyway......again these were not Yeshua's disciples doing this

 

[Oblio]

No strife. Believers could mean anything, and religious Jews still believe in a Messiah, just not ours and he ain't here yet I really don't care what ethnic Jewish Christians are called by ya'll, I was only trying to decrease misunderstandings in a mixed crowd



One Grand-Sugar (from my wife's youngest from a previous marriage) coming up in July.

 

[Tishri1]

Tishri, the Apostles said that circumcision was not necessary to enter into the new covenant with God. God had accepted Gentile and Jew alike. Baptism, in some ways, was and is the new circumcision.

I know that! That was the #1 issue between the Believing Gentiles and the Jews in power at that time...How can these be Filled with the Power of God's Ruach HaKodesh and not be circumcised like us? Of course the Apostles new why...because their Man Made Conversion which included circumcision was not nessessary for salvation....yet there was a thorn- in- the -flesh group out there constantly harrassing these new converts to get converted anyway......again these were not Yeshua's disciples doing this

 

[Tishri1]

Yeah...frankly, it's a little bit weird...but cool, nonetheless.

I showed my daughter her ultrasound the otherday and she got scared.....she begged me to turn it off

 

[Jesus Is Real]

No strife. Believers could mean anything, and religious Jews still believe in a Messiah, just not ours and he ain't here yet I really don't care what ethnic Jewish Christians are called by ya'll, I was only trying to decrease misunderstandings in a mixed crowd



One Grand-Sugar (from my wife's youngest from a previous marriage) coming up in July.

Well in this forum at least you can be sure when others are saying 'believer' or such it's based on GOD'S WORD----JESUS CHRIST THE MESSIAH.

GRAND-SUGAR..........OH THAT'S GREAT!!!
Are you excited?

 

[Tishri1]

So, you meant Christians

It was certainly ambiguous to me (and probably others) when I made my reply earlier.

when I say Messianic Jews that's the same as saying Christian I forgot to clarify that

 

[Edial]

To Connie ...

.....
The High-Priest was to interceed for the sins of their own and the peoples, (YOU HAD AGREED TO #2.) meaning they dealt with the sins - intercession .....But interceeding --- this was although the High-Priests role. And if you can't hear this, you most suredly can't hear this then,........you must die for the sins of Israel as Christ left you an example. You must die for them, so that your mercy might give them Life - and that Life from the Dead. Who's your enemy? Then die for them to Love them ARIGHT.

Connie, with all due respect, but the statement that believers are to die for their enemies is not what Christ taught.

The turning point of the NT is that Christ died for his enemies.
It is His role.

RO 5:6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

We (believers) are told to lay down our lives for our friends, other believers.

1JN 3:16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.

I addressed our actions concerning the enemies of the gospel, below.

.....So, I adjour you,....if you see Israel sinning be what you are called to BE: A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS UNTO GOD.

What was the Role of the High Priest?
Well, what is Jesus still ever wanting to do in HEAVEN RIGHT NOW for us and others? ----Interceeding ---- Praying for us -----to talk to God not to strick Him nor others.

See?

And concerning intercession for others ...

There are only 2 intercessors in the NT -

RO 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will.

RO 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all--how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died--more than that, who was raised to life--is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

HEB 7:23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

I do not know of any other intercessors in the NT.

Connie, Christ died for us (his enemies) and He intercedes for others (we cannot).
You know why we cannot? Because God already has an Intercessor - His Son.
He will not accept our intercession.

Also, concerning our actions when Israel sins against believers -

When Israel sins, we are to do several things.
1. Rebuke Israel, hoping the she will repent.
2. Pray for Israel's salvation.
3. Help her, but only when she comes to us for help.

All 3 are backed up with Scriptures.

Thanks,
Ed

 

[Edial]

EXCUSE ME....?

You're quoting a HERETIC to support your position?

John W. Ritenbaugh was a member of the Worldwide Church of God, a sect that until the mid-1990s denied the Trinity. He and his wife left the WCoG when the WCoG changed its doctrinal stance and accepted the Nicene formula of the Trinity, ca. 1995.

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