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Wgat is thena full preterist?Scholar in training said:An orthodox preterist is the same thing as a partial preterist. I believe in a coming of Christ at 70 A.D.... but I don't believe that the final judgment or general resurrection have passed.
Ummm... no, I don't. Like I said, I'm an orthodox preterist. The "coming" at 70 A.D. was not the Second Coming. It wasn't even a literal "coming" of Christ, the "coming" refers to one judgment. See this page.Edial said:You mean a full preterist ... you believe that the 2nd coming of Christ actually happened?
It says this ...Scholar in training said:Ummm... no, I don't. Like I said, I'm an orthodox preterist. The "coming" at 70 A.D. was not the Second Coming. It wasn't even a literal "coming" of Christ. See this page.
I'm aware of this, but the argument for partial preterism isn't that simple. On that page there is a counterpoint to the objection you've just raised. The wording that Jesus uses is time-oriented and would be anachronistic if applied today (much like the horsemen in Revelation).Edial said:It says this ...
The core proof point for us is that we take Jesus' warning of things taking place in "this generation" to clearly mean that they must take place within the next 40 years. Such time texts are a cornerstone for the preterist case.
But the word generation has 2 usages in Greek.
One is 30-40 (?) years and the other one of a "type, or a kind" of people.
It is quite straightforward.
Ed
Well since I need to run now and I would not have time to go into the Dictionary.com for "anachronistic"Scholar in training said:I'm aware of this, but the argument for partial preterism isn't that simple. On that page there is a counterpoint to the objection you've just raised. The wording that Jesus uses is time-oriented and would be anachronistic if applied today (much like the horsemen in Revelation).
I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not... "Chrono" is from the Greek for "time" and the prefix "ana" means "not". When something is anachronistic, it doesn't fit the timeperiod. It would be anachronistic for Christians today to flee the Tribulation from their flat roofs, or to pray that the Tribulation would not occur during the winter when the transportation revolution has eliminated travel difficulties during winter months.Edial said:Well since I need to run now and I would not have time to go into the Dictionary.com for "anachronistic"... see you tomorrow.
obviously and that is why I said PS I AM NOT TALKING TO JUST ONE PERSON...I knew you would respond like I was, but sorry I wasn't talking to just youKEPLER said:Grafting into the Israel of Faith.
Clearly you have never sat down and compared the Chritian litugies with the Jewish liturgy. If you had, you would not make such an uninformed statement.
Aside from that, what do think "neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female" means? I am under no obligation to worship like the ancient Jews did (cf. also Rom 14 & Col 2).
What? Why are almost all the [edit: original question edited]
Tishri1 -- This is the last thing I'm going to say to you...I am not -- and have never been -- "missing" anything in my faith.
Tishri1 said:obviously and that is why I said PS I AM NOT TALKING TO JUST ONE PERSON...I knew you would respond like I was, but sorry I wasn't talking to just you
you go on and enjoy your little self over there and have fun doing all the things you enjoy......some others who really want to know what their missing will find out what the church was missing by rejecting the Messianic Jews and seek to find out more...
exuse me? Jesus told us to adopt the pagan Calendar and ignore God's calendar? I don't think so...I'm not talking about the Jews accepting Gentiles...I'm talking about the Gentiles rejecting Jews here check this out:Scholar in training said:Nothing was changed because of antisemitism. The first step towards accepting Gentiles was taken by the Apostles themselves in Acts 15 and Galatians 3; the pagan calendar was later adopted by the Empire as a form of triumph over the old pagan ways. The same concept applies to wedding rings and icons (which frequently used pagan imagery, like halos, as a signal of ideological triumph. It was a way to say to people, "look to biblical figures, not pagan figures"). No theology was changed.
Tishri1 said:obviously and that is why I said PS I AM NOT TALKING TO JUST ONE PERSON...I knew you would respond like I was, but sorry I wasn't talking to just you
you go on and enjoy your little self over there and have fun doing all the things you enjoy......some others who really want to know what their missing will find out what the church was missing by rejecting the Messianic Jews and seek to find out more...
Yeah like we really need the Judaizing heresy. We need circumcision and all that mmmhm suuuuurrrreeee we do.
Fotios said:see there you go , you know absolutely NOTHING about Messianic Jews (Paul the Favorite Apostle being one of them) and are content to just say if it has the word "Jew" in it, then it is wrong! Jesus was a Jew...is he wrong? Peter was a Jew... is he wrong?Tishri1 said:obviously and that is why I said PS I AM NOT TALKING TO JUST ONE PERSON...I knew you would respond like I was, but sorry I wasn't talking to just you
you go on and enjoy your little self over there and have fun doing all the things you enjoy......some others who really want to know what their missing will find out what the church was missing by rejecting the Messianic Jews and seek to find out more...
Yeah like we really need the Judaizing heresy. We need circumcision and all that mmmhm suuuuurrrreeee we do.
Circumcision has nothing to do with salvation in the Messianic Jew's mind but you wouldn't know that obviously, as you are content to stay in the dark... well then please at least don't make up lies about them while your sitting there in the shadows
Do you like to type in big letters so people can see what you're reading?Tishri1 said:exuse me?
We have been through this before, Tishri. It would not have made sense for certain aspects of Judaism to be a standard throughout Europe (and beyond) because much of it was limited to the Promised Land, and the rest was fulfilled in Christ.Jesus told us to adopt the pagan Calendar and ignore God's calendar?
I brought that up to show that the Apostles did not think the Jewish calendar, Sabbath, circumcision, dietary laws, etc. as binding upon Christians. Unless they too were antisemitic, which is preposterous considering that many of them were Jews.I don't think so...I'm not talking about the Jews accepting Gentiles...
And this has nothing to do with the four aspects of Judaism that I listed above.I'm talking about the Gentiles rejecting Jews here check this out:
Tishri1 said:Fotios said:see there you go , you know absolutely NOTHING about Messianic Jews (Paul the Favorite Apostle being one of them) and are content to just say if it has the word "Jew" in it, then it is wrong! Jesus was a Jew...is he wrong? Peter was a Jew... is he wrong?
Circumcision has nothing to do with salvation in the Messianic Jew's mind but you wouldn't know that obviously, as you are content to stay in the dark... well then please at least don't make up lies about them while your sitting there in the shadows
Jesus followers were called "Christians" first in Antioch...so we are Christians..
Yes Jesus WAS a Jew, till the Jews Killed him, or more correctly the Pharisaical Jews killed him.
Tishri1 said:Isaiah 26:16-20 16 O LORD, they sought Thee in distress; They could only whisper a prayer, Thy chastening was upon them. 17 As the pregnant woman approaches the time to give birth, She writhes and cries out in her labor pains, Thus were we before Thee, O LORD. 18 We were pregnant, we writhed in labor, We gave birth, as it were, only to wind. We could not accomplish deliverance for the earth Nor were inhabitants of the world born. 19 Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise. You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits. 20 Come, my people, enter into your rooms[kheder-wedding chamber], And close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while, Until indignation runs its course.
Isa 26:16-21
16 LORD, in trouble have they visited thee, they poured out a prayer when thy chastening was upon them.
17 Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O LORD.
18 We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.
19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
KJV
yeh and this scripture tells us morethis is definately talking about the End Times but did y'all know there is a day that this points to?
Fotios said:Fotios said:Jesus followers were called "Christians" first in Antioch...so we are Christians..
Yes Jesus WAS a Jew, till the Jews Killed him, or more correctly the Pharisaical Jews killed him.
WE ALL KILLED CHRIST BY OUR SINS WHICH HE TOOK UPON HIMSELF FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION,........BUT WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW IS THAT JESUS GAVE HIS LIFE,...........NO MAN TOOK IT FROM HIM.
GOD DID THIS TO SAVE US, THOSE WHO WILL BELIEVE.
Andy Broadley said:Isrel ands the palistinians have to learn to live together.
There is no other way.
And America needs to be far more consistant about who and when it invades for ignoring security council resolutions.
Or is Uncle Sam just afraid of Isreal?
Oh no. Silly me.
No oil.
jsisrl said:WE ALL KILLED CHRIST BY OUR SINS WHICH HE TOOK UPON HIMSELF FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION,........BUT WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW IS THAT JESUS GAVE HIS LIFE,...........NO MAN TOOK IT FROM HIM.
GOD DID THIS TO SAVE US, THOSE WHO WILL BELIEVE.
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