ISRAEL, History in a nutshell

[LittleLambofJesus]

Jesus was an observant Jew and is the Jewish Messiah as well as being the Savior of the Nations. The fact that He holds the sceptre does not cancel Him being Jewish.

I have to wonder what He is thinking when Christians villify His physical kindred.

Yes indeed, as were all the early Christians. However God is not carnal. The seed of Abraham is faith and that is what was carried by Israel until it passed to the Church. God has made desolate wicked generations because they had existed in rebellion to God.He does not spare anyone just because one says they have Abraham. Israel will only recover when they receive faith in Christ.
It is strange that Christians support the state of Israel in complete submission when God clearly did not. Do not boast against the jews certainly, but be warned that under Satans influence they now seek to destroy Christians. It is no accident that Bolsheviks in Russia would catch an infant on a sabor to Christian mothers who would not deny Christ and that the churches were destoyed. Is it a suprise that Satan would seek to corrupt God's people and rule the world through them. Satan wants to be God and he wants to be the God of Israel. Zionist Israel bears no resembalance of God.


Matt 3

: But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8: Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Malachi 4

1: For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2: But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3: And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
4: Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5: Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Jesus was indeed King of the Jews but also of Israel.

Matthew 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham: 2 Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brothers.

Reve 5:5 But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals."

(Young) Zephaniah 3:15 Y@hovah hath turned aside thy judgments, He hath faced thine enemy, The king of Yisra'el, Y@hovah, [is] in thy midst, Thou seest evil no more.

 

[gwynedd1]

Israel is not fighting to gain land and Israel is not fighting to kill innocent people. Israel is fighting to simply SURVIVE!

I can't believe the anti-semetic statements that I'm reading here.

How can I call someone "brother" or "sister" if they want to see me and my family destroyed?

God Bless, I mean no harm but to warn.
Do not believe or disbelieve but do your own research. Those that lead the Jews are the same blind guides the Pharisees. I have have tried to warn Jews of Zionism. I do not wish that any Jew be destroyed. Jesus did not call Samratians or Romans a "brood of vipers" but it was the Pharisees.

Rev 3

9: Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.


The Talmud itself is called the Babylonian Talmud. It was in Christ's time the oral Mishnah. This was the traditions of men that Christ condemned . Babylon is the source of wickedness(and of banking)

Zech 5

: And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.
8: And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.
9: Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
10: Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?
11: And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.

The land of Shinar is Babylon

http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/shinarthelandof.html

 

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[applepowerpc]

Umm, the Muslims are also Abrahamic Semites. The Jews actually are derived of Judah, Benjamin and Levi, Biblically that is. But I am also saddened by any kind of warfare as the Muslims and Jews are in essence Abrahamic brothers.

Modern Jews are not Semitic. You can tell that just by looking at them. They can have blonde hair & blue eyes just as much as any Caucasian. That's because that's what they are: Caucasian. In more ways than one. 90% of modern Jewry are Ashkenazi, who originate from the Khazar Empire--located in the Caucasus mountains. The remaining 10% are predominantly Sephardic (which has at least some Middle Eastern blood), Yemenite, and a little Oriental and Black.


http://www.christusrex.org/www2/koestler/

So I have to disagree with the idea that the Arabs in the region and the Jews in the region are Abrahamic brothers. Not because the Arabs aren't Semitic, but because the Jews aren't. Actually, by Jewish tradition, you have to go all the way back to Noah before they're brothers: Noah had 3 sons, Ham, Shem, and Japheth. Ashkenaz was a grandson of Japheth. Semites are, by definition, sons of Shem.

 

[stone]

It is the Islamic that holds their end times redeemer will come only once Israel is destroyed.

 

[Poke]

It is the Islamic that holds their end times redeemer will come only once Israel is destroyed.

I seriously doubt that. Can you support that?

 

[Wags]

God Bless, I mean no harm but to warn.

I sincerely have a hard time believing that you meant no harm!

It is painfully obvious that you and others here have an agenda - an agenda you share with Islam, the complete and utter destruction of Israel.

May the Holy One of Israel have mercy on your souls.

 

[Ivy]

Yes, gwynedd, and bear in mind that your Lord said that those who bless Israel will be blessed and those who curse her will be cursed.

As I told you in my PM, you and I are partakers of the Commonwealth of Israel; we cannot enjoy the fruit and shade of that Olive Tree while simultaneously endeavoring to chop it down.

As I also said before, Paul in Romans states plainly that the Jewish people are beloved of God and have not been rejected. We need to treat them according to God's heart, who regards them as deeply beloved; and certainly NOT with plank-in-our-eye slander!

 

[Poke]

Yes, gwynedd, and bear in mind that your Lord said that those who bless Israel will be blessed and those who curse her will be cursed.

How has the US been blessed for supporting Israel? 9/11 and billions drained from our coffers? The US has been cursed for supporting Israel.

As I told you in my PM, you and I are partakers of the Commonwealth of Israel; we cannot enjoy the fruit and shade of that Olive Tree while simultaneously endeavoring to chop it down.

What does "partakers of the commonwealth" mean? It sounds like a nonsense phrase. Christians are citizens of Israel.

If we are branches grafted on, we are part of the vine, not someone seeking refuge in the shade of the vine. You butcher the analogy.

Jesus is the vine/root. It's blasphemous to say the state of Israel is the vine. The Jews are the ones who tried to chop down the vine. But, Jesus came back and judged them and destroyed Judea.

As I also said before, Paul in Romans states plainly that the Jewish people are beloved of God and have not been rejected. We need to treat them according to God's heart, who regards them as deeply beloved; and certainly NOT with plank-in-our-eye slander!

Paul explicitly explains that he is explaining why gentiles should not be conceited, not that God has any special duel-covenant plan with the Jews. God loves the Jews like God loves the world. This doesn't men any Jew gets to Heaven without Jesus.

 

[YoungJoonKim]

May peace be upon Israel and hezbollah...

I think that's all I can think of

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes, gwynedd, and bear in mind that your Lord said that those who bless Israel will be blessed and those who curse her will be cursed.

How has the US been blessed for supporting Israel? 9/11 and billions drained from our coffers? The US has been cursed for supporting Israel.

Well, Christians are also the "spiritual" Israel of God today and of the Faith of Abraham, so we can say the same thing if we are "cursed".

Wasn't Abraham a Semite Hebrew and not a Jew? Now I am confused.

(Young) Genesis 12:3 And I bless those blessing thee, and him who is disesteeming thee I curse, and blessed in thee have been all families of the ground.'

 

[stone]

May hezbollah and its supporters burn in hell.

 

[gwynedd1]

I sincerely have a hard time believing that you meant no harm!

It is painfully obvious that you and others here have an agenda - an agenda you share with Islam, the complete and utter destruction of Israel.

May the Holy One of Israel have mercy on your souls.

What is that agenda? How will I profit from being a pariah in my own country? I am laughed at, scorned and hated for what I say. I say it because I believe it is the truth. I believe that Christians should be peacemakers and not speak evil of Arabs. I believe Talmudic Judaism, and Islam are beliefs that lack salvation. I know too much about the state of Israel to not know what it is.
And I ask again why will you not address my questions?. What is that symbol on the flag? What is its Primacy? Where is the six pointed star in the Torah? Just do that and I will believe that you want to honestly arrive at the truth.

 

[gwynedd1]

May hezbollah and its supporters burn in hell.

Matt 5
43: Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

I hope you will find peace and repentance. I have had much to do as well but it has been worth it.

 

[Friendlyneighbor101]

Comparing Israel is the Nazis with a massive war machine several generations ahead and several times larger than of its neighbors,

I think this is way out of context.... Irsaeli is not killing millions, and it is not trying to take over the world.

And it is certainly not going around trying to pick fights other countries are attacking them! But their the one's that are in the wrong that is messed up logic if you ask me....

 

[stone]

Matt 5
43: Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

I hope you will find peace and repentance. I have had much to do as well but it has been worth it.

Matthew 5:43-48 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
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Apparently you do not know, i am a son of the father.

Father does not want for us to stand by and be killed, therefore the enemy will be destroyed and there is nothing wrong with helping father send these demons into their homes. Perhaps a rocket landing in your liveing room will open your eyes to the truth.

 

[Ivy]

What does "partakers of the commonwealth" mean? It sounds like a nonsense phrase. Christians are citizens of Israel.

Paul explicitly explains that he is explaining why gentiles should not be conceited, not that God has any special duel-covenant plan with the Jews. God loves the Jews like God loves the world. This doesn't men any Jew gets to Heaven without Jesus.

"Partakers of the commonwealth" is an "nonsense phrase" from the Scriptures.

If you really love Jesus, you have to love the Jewish people, otherwise your love is woefully incomplete.

I can't detect one note of love in anything you say, much less for the Jewish people. If you sincerely believe them to be your enemies, then get busy and start loving those enemies as Jesus commanded!

 

[gwynedd1]

Matthew 5:43-48 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
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Apparently you do not know, i am a son of the father.

Father does not want for us to stand by and be killed, therefore the enemy will be destroyed and there is nothing wrong with helping father send these demons into their homes. Perhaps a rocket landing in your liveing room will open your eyes to the truth.

Do as you must, as there are those that count the cost of discipleship and cannot finish.

Luke 14

26: If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27: And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
28: For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
29: Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
30: Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
31: Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
32: Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
33: So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
34: Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
35: It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[gwynedd1]

"Partakers of the commonwealth" is an "nonsense phrase" from the Scriptures.

If you really love Jesus, you have to love the Jewish people, otherwise your love is woefully incomplete.

I can't detect one note of love in anything you say, much less for the Jewish people. If you sincerely believe them to be your enemies, then get busy and start loving those enemies as Jesus commanded!

If I were to hate Jews I would go about my business and leave them to synagogue of Satan and the kingdom that they have made themselves. There will be judgement and refinement.

Zech 13

1: In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
2: And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
3: And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.
4: And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
5: But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
6: And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
7: Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8: And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9: And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

 

[gwynedd1]

I think this is way out of context.... Irsaeli is not killing millions, and it is not trying to take over the world.

And it is certainly not going around trying to pick fights other countries are attacking them! But their the one's that are in the wrong that is messed up logic if you ask me....

The founders of the stae of Israel have 100s of millions of blood in their hands. This is financed through control of the world's banks. Frankist zeolots then infultrate and provide the leadership of fringe groups to destroy the Gentile nations as well as purge Torah Jews and sent a portion to Israel.
Ante Pavelic was Serbia's turn similar the Bolshevik destruction of Russia.

http://www.barrychamish.com/html/jews_murder_jews.html
http://www.pavelicpapers.com/documents/pavelic/index.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/frankj.html
http://freemasonrywatch.org/robert_gillette_1.html

These are known as crypto-jews by some and apostates by others .The Frankists are useful as shock troops for mass killings that the war profiteers find desirable to there aims. They helped destroy the Balkins and drive Jews to Israel..

Rev 18

3: And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
24: And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.