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It's similar to criticizing the United States pursuit of Bin Laden, except Bin Laden wasn't holding hostages. There were always be some who think such a reaction was unjust.
Didn't belive Hamas. Didn't believe the Ministry of Health. Didn't believe the Red Cross. Didn't believe Medicine sans Frontiere. Will all those in the previous group like to say if they'll accept what Israel now says?Two civilian deaths for each Hamas fighter in Gaza, Israel admits
[this is (I have heard) the first official Israeli estimate (albeit implied) on civilian deaths in Gaza.]
Asked about media reports that 5,000 Hamas fighters had been killed, one of the senior officials told reporters at a briefing: "The numbers are more or less right.
"I'm not saying it's not bad that we have a ratio of 2 to 1."
[suggesting 15,000 total deaths, of which 5,000 were Hamas fighters. This agrees reasonably well with the Gazan Health Ministry estimates of 15,900.]
How's your maths?Did Israel provide any indication there are 15,000 total deaths? All it means is that so far 5000 of the maybe 25,000 Hamas terrorists have been eliminated. There are a lot more to go.
What an utterly nonsensical comparison.It's similar to criticizing the United States pursuit of Bin Laden, except Bin Laden wasn't holding hostages. There were always be some who think such a reaction was unjust.
The bible tells us what He is like. Jesus loves the childrenYou may consider it a terrorist state, but I don't know that God does.
We already know. He will cast them in a bed of great tribulationI think I'll just wait to see what God does before jumping to conclusions. You might be surprised.
Such as David fighting Goliath etc. Not mass murdering childrenThere Bible says there is a time for war.
There in no comparison. They used to have God and be believers. The people in the land were very wicked and God was involved. Today they are on their own leaning on their own arm and weapons and in unbelief.And as we saw in Israel war was a brutal barbaric thing. Still is.
We know how it finishes. 2/3 of Jewish people will die. That is the bible.That's why it should be avoided. But Hamas elected not to. They started it and Israel better finish it.
False in the extreme. Israel HAS NO 'biblical mandate' except to repent and believe in Jesus. You cannot blame God. PeriodIsrael is meeting it's biblical mandate to deal with evil doers.
Wicked meaning unbelievers. (not the enemies of unbelievers' children)Gods sword of vengeance upon a wicked people.
As do all unbelieving nations. Yet the carnage is so extreme that even the other beastly governments are repulsed.As Christians we should strive as much as it is in us and I live peaceably with all men. As a government Israel is not under the same obligation because they have a different mandate.
I remember about Netanyahu referring to Amalek. Your posts would benefit from being more clearly expressed.
Israel's response cannot be proportionate. A proportionate response would require Israel to target, rape, kidnap, torture, murder and mutilate innocent persons. Yet, Israel must defend its citizens against this immoral enemy using moral means.You first have to assume that what Israel has done is bad. And for heaven sake even if it is there are measures of bad correct. If if I punch you in the face that's bad right? If I shove an Ice pick through your eye again that's much worse correct?
It's always been this way. No one I don't think has said all immoral choices are equal. Just as all punishments or justice is not either.
So is Israel doing something immoral or measuring out justice based upon what Hamas has done through the years being supported by the rest of Gaza?
The Bible also contains stories of killing everyone but the virgin girls among the POWs and taking those as spoils of war, not the best source to argue for pacifism from.The bible tells us what He is like. Jesus loves the children
The Bible also contains stories of killing everyone but the virgin girls among the POWs and taking those as spoils of war, not the best source to argue for pacifism from.
Unfortunately, Israel's approach has been self-defeating up to this point, and the number of terrorists at its borders will be higher at the end of this war than it was at the beginning.As stated before, sometimes a country needs to go to war. This is one of those time imo. And they better win it if they have any hope for peace. And I hey better do what it takes during a war to win it.
Mores the pitty, would love some elongated word salads about how it's ok to kill everyone except the girls with intact hymens and how that's totes not an atrocity at all much less one similar to the ones Hamas committed.... if only this was an open Apologetics forum. **sigh** But alas, .................................... 'tis not!
Mores the pitty, would love some elongated word salads about how it's ok to kill everyone except the girls with intact hymens and how that's totes not an atrocity at all much less one similar to the ones Hamas committed.
An adequate defense requires Israel to target the Hamas soldiers in structures that otherwise would presumably be innocent but in fact are engaged to create harm to innocent Israelis. Israel's moral question becomes not to save all innocent lives, for that is not probable, but to save as many innocent lives as possible giving equal weight to innocent Palestinian and Israeli lives. And that is a prudential judgment.
Feel better?Those "word salads" have already been presented and expended long ago, elsewhere. And the insinuation I was attempting to make in my previous point was essentially this: you know damn well that I can't respond to you here ... and IF I were to respond, it wouldn't be with the all too typical cliche apologetic blather often gargled and spit on the pavement at the toes of atheists who refuse to engage any critical thought on multiple philosophical levels (i.e. philosophical here includes ETHICS!!!)
Feel better?
Pity you could only gloat about the quality of your word salads rather then actually post them.Yes. Much better now.
Pity you could only gloat about the quality of your word salads rather then actually post them.
How bad can it be? You get to celebrate the success of your screeds without having to trouble yourself to type them out or deal with responses to them.Yes, it is a pity that in this forum we can't talk about some old ancient, tattered Jewish stories from the past that we call "the Bible.
Bin Laden was surrounded by female relatives and children. As discussed previously, the United States deliberately chose to not drop a bomb on the site, due in part to the number of civilian casualties that would ensue.It's similar to criticizing the United States pursuit of Bin Laden, except Bin Laden wasn't holding hostages.
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