Why do you automatically believe Netanyahu (facing corruption charges) rather than the hospital doctors.
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Why do you automatically believe Netanyahu (facing corruption charges) rather than the hospital doctors."Hamas, (which) is hiding in the hospitals and placing itself there, doesn't want the fuel for the hospital ... they want to get fuel that they'll take from the hospitals to their tunnels, to their war machine."
Netanyahu: Hamas refused Israeli fuel offer for Gaza's Shifa hospital
Hmm I'm supposed to know a Russian whose name you can't remember. This childish game playing is a waste of time and space given what we are discussing. Note "russian" should be spelt Russian.Score one for me.......
The reason given being what? Youtube usually tells you why.For some reason I can't play those links......
I don't remember that either the United States or Japan did anything to reduce civilian casualties when Japan invaded China, and after Pearl Harbour. But then no one cared about China in the late 1930s, and the United States did not have civilian casualties in mind when they went to war against the Japanese and finally dropped nuclear bombs on two Japanese cities. Also, when the Arab states attacked Israel during the 6 day and Yom Kippor wars, we didn't hear the United Nations demanding a ceasefire. It may have been when Israel was getting the upper hand and defeating the Arabs, that the United Nations would have demanded a cease fire. Why would they? To protect the Arabs, even though the Arabs started the two wars.U.S. Officials Outline Steps to Israel to Reduce Civilian Casualties
"U.S. officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the meetings were private, said there had been a number of conversations in which they had advised their Israeli counterparts to take a more deliberate approach in their operations.
U.S. officials told the Israelis that they could reduce civilian casualties if they improved how they targeted Hamas leaders, gathered more intelligence on Hamas command and control networks before launching strikes, used smaller bombs to collapse the tunnel network and employed their ground forces to separate civilian population centers from where the militants are concentrated.
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In the first two weeks of the war, roughly 90 percent of the munitions Israel dropped in Gaza were satellite-guided bombs of 1,000 to 2,000 pounds, according to a senior U.S. military official. The rest were 250-pound small-diameter bombs."
Hmm on the Six Day War:I don't remember that either the United States or Japan did anything to reduce civilian casualties when Japan invaded China, and after Pearl Harbour. But then no one cared about China in the late 1930s, and the United States did not have civilian casualties in mind when they went to war against the Japanese and finally dropped nuclear bombs on two Japanese cities. Also, when the Arab states attacked Israel during the 6 day and Yom Kippor wars, we didn't hear the United Nations demanding a ceasefire. It may have been when Israel was getting the upper hand and defeating the Arabs, that the United Nations would have demanded a cease fire. Why would they? To protect the Arabs, even though the Arabs started the two wars.
They say there is no Hamas command center at the hospital. Do you believe there is not even one Hamas there?Why do you automatically believe Netanyahu (facing corruption charges) rather than the hospital doctors.
In terms of the Izz al-Din Qassam, the military arm of Hamas, no.They say there is no Hamas command center at the hospital. Do you believe there is not even one Hamas there?
Are not "one Hamas" and "Hamas command center" two quite different things?They say there is no Hamas command center at the hospital. Do you believe there is not even one Hamas there?
It actually wasn't. Hamas started the war by invading southern Israel and murdered 1400 innocent men, women and children. Of course, one forgets that the United States invaded the lands of the Indian nations and took their lands away from them. Remember the massacre of Wounded Knee where U.S. soldiers murdered innocent, unarmed men, women and children who were living peacefully in their homes. So we have to be careful to avoid hypocrisy.Hmm on the Six Day War:
"On 7 June, Dayan ordered his troops not to enter the Old City but, upon hearing that the UN was about to declare a ceasefire, he changed his mind, and without cabinet clearance, decided to capture it" quoted from Wikipedia whose source is
- Shlaim, Avi (2007). Lion of Jordan: The Life of King Hussein in War and Peace. Vintage Books. ISBN 978-1-4000-7828-8.
Btw it was Israel who started the shooting in that war.
We don't know who is telling the truth or lying. The news media were quick to blame Israel for an explosion at a hospital when the truth was that it was a misfired Hamas rocket.In terms of the Izz al-Din Qassam, the military arm of Hamas, no.
The news media were quick to say that Hamas blamed Israel for an explosion at a hospital.The news media were quick to blame Israel for an explosion at a hospital when the truth was that it was a misfired Hamas rocket.
Well, I've seen the evidence that refutes Israel's claim that Hamas did it, and to surmise, a homemade rocket has never created that much destruction. However, some footage captured the sound of the strike as almost identical to the strike which hit the Al-Ahli hospital, and missiles that make that sound are American JDAM missiles carried by jets. A guided air-to-surface weapon which can weigh almost a tonne. They also have a “proximity fuse” setting, which can be programmed to explode on impact or at any desired distance above the ground. If it exploded just before impact, it would leave a much smaller crater and cause far less damage to the hospital.We don't know who is telling the truth or lying. The news media were quick to blame Israel for an explosion at a hospital when the truth was that it was a misfired Hamas rocket.
I'm not an American and the Six Day War didn't start in October 2023!It actually wasn't. Hamas started the war by invading southern Israel and murdered 1400 innocent men, women and children. Of course, one forgets that the United States invaded the lands of the Indian nations and took their lands away from them. Remember the massacre of Wounded Knee where U.S. soldiers murdered innocent, unarmed men, women and children who were living peacefully in their homes. So we have to be careful to avoid hypocrisy.
Yes I've seen footage like that and shared it in this forum in an earlier now closed thread: it was very compelling - the sound of the missile was very similar.Well, I've seen the evidence that refutes Israel's claim that Hamas did it, and to surmise, a homemade rocket has never created that much destruction. However, some footage captured the sound of the strike as almost identical to the strike which hit the Al-Ahli hospital, and missiles that make that sound are American JDAM missiles carried by jets. A guided air-to-surface weapon which can weigh almost a tonne. They also have a “proximity fuse” setting, which can be programmed to explode on impact or at any desired distance above the ground. If it exploded just before impact, it would leave a much smaller crater and cause far less damage to the hospital.
Other pieces of evidence further substantiate this, but if you ask me, I've seen and heard enough: Israel bombed the Baptist hospital, and they have been since the start. They bombarded nearly all hospitals, schools, homes and refugee camps. They cut power and utilities and banned essentials. Thousands upon thousands of victims, many being children.
So why did Israel lie about this one? Because nearly 500 civilians got killed, sparking global outrage, many of whom were taking shelter from nearly two weeks of relentless Israeli bombing.
and this is what the misinformation from both sides is meant to produce - gaslight us so we begin to doubt the evidence of our eyes. For instance this is a picture from the "safe" area of southern Gaza:We don't know who is telling the truth or lying. The news media were quick to blame Israel for an explosion at a hospital when the truth was that it was a misfired Hamas rocket.
I don't remember that either the United States or Japan did anything to reduce civilian casualties when Japan invaded China,
and after Pearl Harbour.
But then no one cared about China in the late 1930s,
and the United States did not have civilian casualties in mind when they went to war against the Japanese and finally dropped nuclear bombs on two Japanese cities
Also, when the Arab states attacked Israel during the 6 day and Yom Kippor wars, we didn't hear the United Nations demanding a ceasefire.
It may have been when Israel was getting the upper hand and defeating the Arabs, that the United Nations would have demanded a cease fire. Why would they? To protect the Arabs, even though the Arabs started the two wars.
It actually wasn't. Hamas started the war by invading southern Israel and murdered 1400 innocent men, women and children. Of course, one forgets that the United States invaded the lands of the Indian nations and took their lands away from them. Remember the massacre of Wounded Knee where U.S. soldiers murdered innocent, unarmed men, women and children who were living peacefully in their homes. So we have to be careful to avoid hypocrisy.
There is substantial evidence that Hamas has used the hospital for military operations and has built a command center underneath it as part of Gaza’s tunnel network: |
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