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They almost seem to be thinking 'the more we starve and shoot and bomb and relocate, the less soldiers will be needed'We don't know how many Palestinians are dead, the media has been irresponsible in spreading Hamas propaganda. The Israelis never had the forces to hold all of Gaza permanently, Israel is trying to free the hostages and eliminate Hamas. Unfortunately Joe Biden and others have undermined Israel's efforts and thus more lives will be lost.
War is tragic and unlike plagues, pandemics, earthquakes, wildfires, floods, and volcanic eruptions, war is the specific result of human action. War is an un-natural disaster. War has many costs, and many of them are human costs, not simply death and destruction mainly born by those who do not make the decisions, but also the opportunity costs of the things not done. War also makes profits for many, perhaps the victor, perhaps employment, or untold financial gain on the part of those who make and supply weapons and ammunition.Yes I certainly understand the human cost concerns. War is a very tragic thing. It's probably one of the worst undertakings humanity does and has done throughout history. Sometimes it is necessary. And there is a very great cost when it occurs in the death and destruction.
When you make an argument, one of the things that is important is where you choose to begin. If you take the starting point as the 7th of October 2023 you will conclude, logically and correctly as you have done. The flaw in this is of course that the argument starts without assessing what led to the events of that date. No doubt someone should have said at the time don't poke the bear! In reality, it was a very low-tech assault on a target with a lot of high-tech (super expensive) defence systems. I don't think the event was justifiable, I don't think it was acceptable, and I don't think it was in the interests of either Israel or Palestine. I strongly suspect that Hamas was played by third-party actors as a useful idiot - and those actors may well in in Iran.But if you start a war then you'd better be prepared for the other side to respond.
I am not sure of the argument here. Israel and Israeli intelligence almost certainly know where most if not all the tunnels are. To that end Israeli Military have developed the Sponge Bomb which they have deployed effectively when required. I am left feeling that this is a bit of a PR BlackBox that Israel keeps tapping on because it seems good, and no one can see it.But at this point they don't seem willing to finish what Hamas started. That is a mistake. I would say at the point Hamas won't be ultimately defeated until the tunnels are taken and destroyed.
Sadly for you, even if Israel were a paragon of 'the West', at least one faction in the US is strongly America First and doesn't care about 'the West'."We must remind the US and the West that while Israel is the one fighting this war, it is not just Israel's war. It is being waged against those who view Israel as the spearhead of Western civilization.
The struggle against Hamas must be defined as a perpetual mission
Better still it should be viewed as love thy neighbor."We must remind the US and the West that while Israel is the one fighting this war, it is not just Israel's war. It is being waged against those who view Israel as the spearhead of Western civilization. This is a war over the global and regional order, against the radical axis that has united two rival camps – Shiites and Sunnis – solely due to their shared desire to annihilate Israel and weaken Western influence.
Israel must act resolutely to achieve all war aims, unconditionally and as soon as possible. Discussing operational plans with the Biden administration leaves it no choice but to oppose the operation, as it would not want to be seen as approving actions that could harm uninvolved civilians - which despite best efforts, cannot be guaranteed. If so, we should re-evaluate the need for such joint discussions and at what level they should take place.
The struggle against Hamas must be defined as a perpetual mission – total war against the terror organization wherever it exists."
You may be correct. However we have no evidence of that. I prefer to go by what we do have. Hamas has been attacking Israel for decades. Israel finally had enough.strongly suspect that Hamas was played by third-party actors as a useful idiot - and those actors may well in in Iran.
Except that they weren't Palestinians. There was never any such things as Palestinians as we talk about today. This area has been controlled by many different peoples rulers, governments or whatever else. The controlling rulers have always decided what was going on there. And Britian decided what to do.The practice of ignoring the Palestinian people's existence has continued apace, including the 1948 establishment of the Jewish State, and the 1967 (link here) which quite simply fails to mention the Palestinians at all. So if you start the argument there, you may well reach a different conclusion, logically and correctly.
The Philistines were not and are not Palestinian Arabs.Ultimately you have to start somewhere. If you start with the children of Noah, and specifically Shem, you might conclude that this is a family argument where the children don't want to play nicely and share things as nice children ought properly to do.
You may be correct. Eventually there will be more war with the rise of the Anti-Christ. A conquest of world order. We know that Israel will be central in all of that. But I will say I am not concerned in the least. Because I know this will all usher in the return of our Lord. And I look forward to that. Even though it may mean a lot of hardship in the mean time.This war may well be won or lost on the streets of Washington and Tel Aviv. The problem is, as I noted on observer remarking the other day, the world has moved from a post-war world to a pre-war world, and I regard that as a matter of great concern.
Exactly, tell that to Hamas and all the other Arabic terrorists.Better still it should be viewed as love thy neighbor.
The struggle against terrorism should always be a perpetual mission.Sadly for you, even if Israel were a paragon of 'the West', at least one faction in the US is strongly America First and doesn't care about 'the West'.
No thanks.
How would you feel if the Indians decided to take back some of the land they occupied? Would you support them?Especially tell it to folks that moved smack dab in the middle of those Arabs and displaced a lot of them.
That is a linguistic question. They are not an invented people. Your statements here echo the Cabinet Briefings from Lord Balfour who believed you could ignore them out of existence. Britain's track record in the Middle East has been largely deplorable. They were there to help ... themselves. Frankly, the US and the UN have not been much better. The Trump decision to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem was in absolute contradiction with everything that was established in 1948.Except that they weren't Palestinians. There was never any such things as Palestinians as we talk about today. This area has been controlled by many different peoples rulers, governments or whatever else. The controlling rulers have always decided what was going on there. And Britian decided what to do.
Even when Israel decides to accept what was given and make their country they were attacked. They won. What did the so called Palestinians do? Did they accept it and then try and build their own state? Did they work on creating a prosperous state and build their own economy and all that goes with it? No they decided to continue to want, desire and try to destroy Israel. Look this is THEIR own problem.
I have not suggested that they are. I was simply affirming that by the Genesis reference, the Gaza Strip is not part of the promised land.The Philistines were not and are not Palestinian Arabs.
I understand that you support Israel. As it happens so do I, however, I am not handing carte blanche to anyone (Israel, Palestine, Hamas ...) who chooses to act in ways that do not affirm the dignity of the human person. Ending threats has been entirely counter-productive in the Middle East. Defeating the Taliban gave birth to the Islamic State. Israel helped Fund Hamas to destabilise the PLO and so gave birth to a greater problem. I don't think any of it is easy, however, I don't believe genocide, not murdering aid workers is anything like a solution.This Israel Palestinian conflictay or may not be part of it. I have no idea. But I support Israel doing what is necessary to end the Hamas threat.
They do try. My opinion on that is God created the whole world. It is not he that gets to a beach first that owns it. I think it is also a good idea to try and live peaceably with people regardless of color or raceHow would you feel if the Indians decided to take back some of the land they occupied? Would you support them?
They are Arabs. Which aren't an invented people. "Palestinians" as used today are an invented people. There has never been a country of Palestine run by Arabs who controlled the region. You can complain about how Britain ran it, or the Romans or whomever. That's not relevant. What's relevant is there has never been a country of Palestine. The modern version is just some Arabs who happen to live in the area where the Jews lived and had as their country before being conquered. And not by the Arabs.That is a linguistic question. They are not an invented people. Your statements here echo the Cabinet Briefings from Lord Balfour who believed you could ignore them out of existence. Britain's track record in the Middle East has been largely deplorable. They were there to help ... themselves. Frankly, the US and the UN have not been much better. The Trump decision to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem was in absolute contradiction with everything that was established in 1948.
And until now Israel never claimed the Gaza strip as their land. Even now they don't claim it as theirs. The Arabs had it and could have done something with it but didn't.have not suggested that they are. I was simply affirming that by the Genesis reference, the Gaza Strip is not part of the promised land.
I don't think with many Arabs in this region that you are ever going to stop creating terrorist, organizations. It won't matter if you are completely hands off. They will attack. It's who they are. Be nice and they consider it weakness and they'll attack. Be firm and they'll attack because they hate. So there is no way to stop all terrorism. But you can stop something. Make it clear that it won't be tolerated. Israel is better off being strong than weak in the long run.understand that you support Israel. As it happens so do I, however, I am not handing carte blanche to anyone (Israel, Palestine, Hamas ...) who chooses to act in ways that do not affirm the dignity of the human person. Ending threats has been entirely counter-productive in the Middle East. Defeating the Taliban gave birth to the Islamic State. Israel helped Fund Hamas to destabilise the PLO and so gave birth to a greater problem. I don't think any of it is easy, however, I don't believe genocide, not murdering aid workers is anything like a solution.
That's not what I asked. No the Indians have not tried taking back their land. I don't mean through the courts. I mean launch attacks. Would you support them doing that?They do try. My opinion on that is God created the whole world. It is not he that gets to a beach first that owns it. I think it is also a good idea to try and live peaceably with people regardless of color or race
Regardless of what you believe about Palestinians, the Palestinian people see themselves as a distinct people with deep historical ties to the land that Israel currently occupies. This cannot be denied, and it doesn't matter if you or anyone else refuses to accept their existence; they have and will continue to exist. Recognizing Palestine and the Palestinian people is at the foundation of achieving peace between Israel and the Arab world.Except that they weren't Palestinians. There was never any such things as Palestinians as we talk about today.
This is a great question. What would you do if the native Americans started moving to and occupying your state in large numbers and eventually demanded that you and your family move out because it was their ancestral land? Would you resist and try to keep your land and home, or would you just pack up and leave?How would you feel if the Indians decided to take back some of the land they occupied? Would you support them?
Since 2007, Israel has imposed an air, land, and sea blockade on the Gaza Strip, restricting the movement of people and goods. Prior to this, there have been blockades of varying degrees dating back to the early 1990s. Israel hasn't given the Palestinians an opportunity to prosper in Gaza, nor does Israel want them to.And until now Israel never claimed the Gaza strip as their land. Even now they don't claim it as theirs. The Arabs had it and could have done something with it but didn't.
But if you start a war then you'd better be prepared for the other side to respond. And Israel responded
? In BC there is more than 100% of the land under various native claims. Every interest group regardless of race or color more or less pushes for their own best interests. That is human nature. Wars did not begin when Europeans explored the world you know. So you ask if I support selected races and peoples conducting murder and terror to get what they think they deserve? No. I do support civil disobedience when it comes to obeying God first, despite some regulations or laws of man. I think the underground believers of the early church helped to end the Roman empire. I think exposing evil and telling the truth and standing for righteousness helps make the world a better place, and even sometimes change who runs parts of it. I do not support mass murdering women and children and shooting up cities and schools and food lines and fleeing convoys and starving people.That's not what I asked. No the Indians have not tried taking back their land. I don't mean through the courts. I mean launch attacks. Would you support them doing that?
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