Israel’s Restoration?

[keras]

This proves that Cimmeria already existed when Assyria was in power, that is, before Assyria carried away the ten northern tribes of Israel. So the Cimmerians cannot even possibly be descended from Ephraim. And thus the British cannot even possibly be descended from Ephraim.

If you want to, its easy to believe the pronouncements of scholars with an agenda to push.
But there are proofs of the Israelites migrating across Europe, Jeremiah 3:21, the dolmens and grave sites.
The Western nations all have a foundation of a Israel tribe. Sometimes a bit mixed, but it is them who accepted the Gospel, as Jesus was sent to do.

 

[Biblewriter]

If you want to, its easy to believe the pronouncements of scholars with an agenda to push.
But there are proofs of the Israelites migrating across Europe, Jeremiah 3:21, the dolmens and grave sites.
The Western nations all have a foundation of a Israel tribe. Sometimes a bit mixed, but it is them who accepted the Gospel, as Jesus was sent to do.

Actually, I did not even check the opinions Replyof the scholars until AFTER I had already determined this information for myself. Then, after I had completed my own studies, I checked what the scholars said, and found 100% agreement. There can be zero doubt that the Cimmerrians were already a nation before the ten tribes were carried away. Nor can there be any doubt that Biblical Gomer, Assyriam Gammer, Armenian Gimmer, and Greek Cimmer, are simply different pronunciations of the same name. So the Europeans are well established t be descendants of Biblical Gomer, not Biblical Ephraim.

 

[keras]

If people just don't want to change their beliefs, for whatever reason, then no amount of truths presented will have any effect. There are several epithets that apply to such people.

The Assyrian king’s library was found in Nineveh in 1850. The clay tablets record the Hebrew conquest and resettlement, but most significantly, the Assyrian names for these people.
The Assyrian’s at this time used the term “House of Omri “for the Israelites, pronounced Beth Khumri. This evolved into “ Gimira “ and finally Cimmerians.

The name Ïskuza is also used in conjunction with Gimira in referring to the Israelites and Iskuza can easily be deduced from Issac as the Israelites called themselves the Beth Isaac.

It is accepted by modern historians that the Iskuza were called Sacae by the Greeks and Sakka by the Persians. Heroditas tells us that the Sacae were called in his time the Scythians.

The Behistun rock inscriptions, in modern Iran, are the records of the reign of King Darius. They are in 3 languages and the Israelites are referred to as Gimiri, Iskuza and Sakka respectively.

 

[Biblewriter]

If people just don't want to change their beliefs, for whatever reason, then no amount of truths presented will have any effect. There are several epithets that apply to such people.

The Assyrian king’s library was found in Nineveh in 1850. The clay tablets record the Hebrew conquest and resettlement, but most significantly, the Assyrian names for these people.
The Assyrian’s at this time used the term “House of Omri “for the Israelites, pronounced Beth Khumri. This evolved into “ Gimira “ and finally Cimmerians.

The name Ïskuza is also used in conjunction with Gimira in referring to the Israelites and Iskuza can easily be deduced from Issac as the Israelites called themselves the Beth Isaac.

It is accepted by modern historians that the Iskuza were called Sacae by the Greeks and Sakka by the Persians. Heroditas tells us that the Sacae were called in his time the Scythians.

The Behistun rock inscriptions, in modern Iran, are the records of the reign of King Darius. They are in 3 languages and the Israelites are referred to as Gimiri, Iskuza and Sakka respectively.

This is completely incorrect. see, for instance, the book

One letter in “The Royal Correspondence of the Assyrian Empire,” (translated and transliterated by Leroy Waterman, Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press, 1930.) called the Gimiraa “the people of the steppe.” (part II, pg. 361) Yet another letter in this series locates the lands of Guriania and Nagiu as between the lands of Urartu and Gamirra. (part I, pg 101) It is well known that Urartu is another name for Armenia, which was on Assyria’s northern border, so we know the land of Gamirra, was significantly north of Armenia. That would place it somewhere in the Ukraine or Russia. This is also noted on page 246 of “State Archives of Assyria, Volume V - The Correspondence of Sargon II, Part II” (ed by Giovanni B. Lanfranchi and Simo Parpola, Helsinki University Press, 1990) except that the land of Nagiu was not mentioned.

On page 75 of the first of these books, this Assyrian word is translated “Cimmerians,” with a footnote identifying them as the classical Cimmerii and Biblical Gomer.

But when Israel was carried away, the king of Assyria, "placed them in Halah and by the Habor, the River of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes. " (2 Kings 17:6) This is an entirely different place, far to the east of ancient Israel, well within the modern territory of Iraq, and very far from the home of the Gimiraa, who, as the above notes clearly indicate, were already in existence at that time.

It is your commitment to an erroneous scheme of interpretation that makes you so tenaciously cling to such a flimsy curtain of deception.

You want to claim the Old Testament promises for yourself, instead of crediting them to the ones to whom they were actually made. So you cling to the fiction that you are descended from the ancient nation of Israel.

 

[usexpat97]

You just need to read carefully the great chapter of Ezekiel 37, to know that the House of Israel has not yet rejoined with the House of Judah.
Plainly, the Jews are not as numerous as the sands of the sea and they continue in their rejection of Jesus. It is the born again Christians, who are mainly the Western peoples, who now comprise the true Israelites. Galatians 6:16

If you look at events without an agenda, it is clear that there were two kingdoms before the time of Ezekiel, and that when Israel was restored--BACK IN 500BC--there was no more split kingdom. Okay, it may have been "split" in the sense that many Israelites had no interest in making aliyah--where they were already settled WAS their home now; not Israel. But the split was not along tribal lines.

The book of Ezekiel was written between 600-500BC--not too long before Israel was restored. The political climate at the time Ezekiel was written involved a potential Israel restoration. A lot like now, when all the talk is about, "Should we invade Afghanistan? Should we invade Iraq? Hillary or Trump?"... at the time it was, "Is Israel going to be restored? Should we go back?"

To attribute Ezekiel to anything but that is like writing about the World Series in late September, the Astros are up 3 games to 2. And then a sports writer writes, "The Astros are going to win the World Series". And then the Astros go on to win the World Series--25 years later. It's ridiculous; everybody knows the writer is talking about THAT World Series. And if the Astros win 25 years later, everyone doesn't talk about how smart that sports writer is; how he knew all along the Astros were going to win 25 years later. Or that the Astros won a "moral" victory in a "spiritual" sense.

 

[Biblewriter]

If you look at events without an agenda, it is clear that there were two kingdoms before the time of Ezekiel, and that when Israel was restored--BACK IN 500BC--there was no more split kingdom. Okay, it may have been "split" in the sense that many Israelites had no interest in making aliyah--where they were already settled WAS their home now; not Israel. But the split was not along tribal lines.

The book of Ezekiel was written between 600-500BC--not too long before Israel was restored. The political climate at the time Ezekiel was written involved a potential Israel restoration. A lot like now, when all the talk is about, "Should we invade Afghanistan? Should we invade Iraq? Hillary or Trump?"... at the time it was, "Is Israel going to be restored? Should we go back?"

To attribute Ezekiel to anything but that is like writing about the World Series in late September, the Astros are up 3 games to 2. And then a sports writer writes, "The Astros are going to win the World Series". And then the Astros go on to win the World Series--25 years later. It's ridiculous; everybody knows the writer is talking about THAT World Series. And if the Astros win 25 years later, everyone doesn't talk about how smart that sports writer is; how he knew all along the Astros were going to win 25 years later. Or that the Astros won a "moral" victory in a "spiritual" sense.

Actually, Ephraim never returned to the land. The scriptures record a return of a very small remnant of "the house of Judah," but that is all. A very long time later, the scriptures record a few individuals from one or another of the ten northern tribes in the land, but these were always, that is, in every case, mentioned as individuals, not as a group.

And the promised return of all Israel has another promise attached to it. And that promise is that when they return, they will never again be cast out of the land. But we know for a certainty, that the few who returned circa 500 BC were eventually vast out again around six or seven hundred years later.

Isaiah 66 makes it exceedingly plain that this return of all Israel will take place after the Lord comes "with fire, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire," not before that time.

 

[keras]

You want to claim the Old Testament promises for yourself, instead of crediting them to the ones to whom they were actually made. So you cling to the fiction that you are descended from the ancient nation of Israel.

It is actually of no consequence to be an actual descendant of Jacob. That preference is long gone:

Ephesians 1:11-14 In Christ, indeed, we have been given the heritage, as was decreed in God’s purpose. For it was His will that we who set our hopes in Jesus, should be the ones to make His glory known and praised.

We Christians have the Seal of the Holy Spirit, which is the pledge of the inheritance that will be ours when God has cleared and cleansed His possession. Deuteronomy 32:34-43

Romans 8:16-18 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God…..it is the Spirit of adoption, so we can call Him ‘Father’. This affirms that we are God’s children and if children, then heirs, heirs of God’s promises through Christ.
But we must share His suffering, if we are also to share His glory.

Ephesians 3:6 Through the Gospel, Gentiles are joint heirs with the Jews, part of the same body, sharers together in the promises of God through Jesus.

Galatians 3:29 So if you belong to Christ, then you are the issue of Abraham and heirs of God’s promises. [to the Patriarchs]

Colossians 1:12 We give thanks to the Father who has made us fit to share in the heritage of God’s people in the Kingdom of light.

However, God does have a secret to do with the people He originally chose. But as it is His mystery, we are wasting our time trying to unravel it. All will be revealed in His good timing.