Isn't war evil?

[daidhaid]

First off, to show your ignorance. The Romans all used a short sword they were famous for. But, you said so confidently....



They did not use large swords! The conquered the world with their short sword! GZ

there is a question as to the shortness of the sword.

"In the 3rd or 2nd century B.C., the Romans adopted a long-pointed, double-edged Iberian weapon which they called the 'Spanish sword'. This basic design, with various modifications continued through to the 2nd century A.D.

Ordinary infantrymen and cavalrymen wore their swords on the right side, but centurions wore them on the left.

Cavalry used a longer, narrower, sword that followed Celtic types. This was eventually adopted by infantry as well and - now worn on the left - replaced the 'Spanish sword'."

Romans prevailed in the world more for their tactics and politics than for the size of their swords.

And, the rest of your post was filled with similar opinionated erroneous blather. You just wish to be divisive. Not truthful. To tear down, not build up. So why bother? You consistently get it all wrong. So, why present what you will continue to get wrong? GZ

wow all that out of this?
Quote: Originally Posted by: genez to Gnine.
"You are not worth answering."

My remark on that post.
"funny I decided the same about you"

now I'll go backto where I was

Other than explain with this post why you are not worth answering (for the sake of others) you serve no purpose in revealing truth, other than to set up another to bring forth truth by always needing to correct your agendized garbage you wish to swallow, because you simply have this instinctive drive to oppose what is right. And, you will always bring up the closed minded fundamentalists as your justification for what you think, but you are only the other side of the same coin! You have no idea what Christianity is about.

Unbelievers are simply the animated dead. Generic lives, in a generic existance. Yet, knowing better than everyone else when it comes to spiritual matters.
When you die? Will you live? GZ

sigh...
so many answers not worth the effort.
this sort of stuff does shut religous folks up when it's posted at work.

 

[daidhaid]

"Why did you want to fight in Vietnam?"

"I wanted to meet an ancient and interesting people... and kill them."

asking me? Well in a very small nutshell...
Until I went there I was rather opposed to the whole concept of the VietNam War.
My Southern Baptist church provided zero support for any form of concientous objection.
I refused induction but later accepted the inevitable and enlisted when I was about to face prosecution.
Not a proud moment in my life. But I felt, at the time, that voluntering to be a medic put me on higher ground.
Once there I acted out of instincts to survive and be solid with my buddies.
Back home I renewed my opposition to the war.
Altogether, I did 6 years active mostly as a medic in Infantry and armor.
But yeah it did amount to meeting and killing an ancient and interesting people.
However, they were trying to kill us too.

 

[GenemZ]

wow all that out of this?
Quote: Originally Posted by: genez to Gnine.
"You are not worth answering."

My remark on that post.
"funny I decided the same about you"

You jumped in response to another's post. I thought it was he I was responding to. And, its odd that you decided not to respond to my posts, but you did anyway.

GeneZ

 

[gnine]

asking me? Well in a very small nutshell...
Until I went there I was rather opposed to the whole concept of the VietNam War.
My Southern Baptist church provided zero support for any form of concientous objection.
I refused induction but later accepted the inevitable and enlisted when I was about to face prosecution.
Not a proud moment in my life. But I felt, at the time, that voluntering to be a medic put me on higher ground.
Once there I acted out of instincts to survive and be solid with my buddies.
Back home I renewed my opposition to the war.
Altogether, I did 6 years active mostly as a medic in Infantry and armor.
But yeah it did amount to meeting and killing an ancient and interesting people.
However, they were trying to kill us too.

I visited Vietnam in 1994 before I was a Christian and a year after it became possible to visit just as a tourist. Being white outside of district 1 was rare, often I was pointed at and occasionally even touched, especially by younger people, who seemed to hardly believe their eyes. It was very interesting, but also sad. The scars of the war were still very visible - right down to the burnt window where the RPG round was fired into the old American Embassy, and the original Cu Chi tunnels, complete with bamboo stakes.

Other signs of the war were starving children, women dying of AIDS, prostitutes trailing me everywhere I went, the look of hatred in the eyes of an old mamma san.

Does anyone know what its like to eat a sumptuous steak at a window seat of a French restaurant looking out at a stick thin starving woman six feet away - slumped against a telegraph pole with a desperate child, naval protruding (a sign of malnutrition)?

An alley of horrors at night, where you were faced with people with no face, no legs and no arms. Stupidly I gave some small change to a man with no face in that alley - next thing I have a dozen misshapen people lumbering after me, begging for money - fortunately, I can walk faster than a starving person with one leg can run.

Desperate "sitlow" drivers - most of them ex-SVA. Some were very honorable people who I learned I could trust (I think). Others were cads.

And then there was the "person" with his one leg draped over his shoulder and hardly a face at all, whose spine was a coiled "S" shape - who lived near Notre Dame. He spent his life on a wooden trolley about 2 inches off the ground and dragged himself around by his hands, who couldn't speak because the dreadful deformities - probably caused by the toxic Agent Orange hosed onto his mother.

All of these things callous your heart very quickly - but one thing stands out. The sad look in their eyes of young people my age that were obviously 1/2 causcasian or 1/2 african american in blood. Offspring of the war.

I've heard that Ho Chi Mien is not like this anymore - bursting with high rise buildings and war victims largely cleaned up for the tourists. I wonder where all were put?

An ancient culture indeed - RAPED and enslaved by the French for decades and then the Americans and Australians for 30 years. All in the name of "Freedom".

Not Christian.

What would Jesus do?

 

[daidhaid]

You jumped in response to another's post. I thought it was he I was responding to. And, its odd that you decided not to respond to my posts, but you did anyway.

GeneZ

yeah well you sucked me into it again by naming me in the Roman short sword post. Which I hadn't previously been involved with.
On the sword again. I doubt that a Jewish civilian would have been carrying a Roman soldiers sword anyway.

And I will occasionaly offer up a remark so don't get to careless.
Now I'm really moving on to a cold beer.

 

[inquisitor_11]

lol... I just thought that a quote from Full Metal Jacket was inappropriate. So I posted it. Thanks for the insight though.

I'm just glad that genez isn't God. I think we'd all be screwed.

 

[daidhaid]

lol... I just thought that a quote from Full Metal Jacket was inappropriate. So I posted it. Thanks for the insight though.

I'm just glad that genez isn't God. I think we'd all be screwed.

yeah no kidding...
"it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of a merciless God." or wannabe.

 

[GenemZ]

What would Jesus do?

Jesus Christ controls history. You have a wrong image of Christ. He was not some sentimental, long haired, whimpy mystic. Everything that happens in history is at his control.

"You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places." Matthew 24:6-7 niv

Grace and truth..... GeneZ

 

[GenemZ]

yeah no kidding...
"it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of a merciless God." or wannabe.

Hell will be existing as mercy to the righteous. Hell is real.

God gives enough hints that it is by what he allows for in time. God has no mercy for the unrighteous if they refuse grace.

Grace and truth...... GeneZ

 

[gnine]

Jesus Christ controls history. You have a wrong image of Christ. He was not some sentimental, long haired, whimpy mystic. Everything that happens in history is at his control.

"You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places." Matthew 24:6-7 niv

Grace and truth..... GeneZ

Straw man!

I 100% agree with you that the LORD controls all history.

But you never answered my question:

What would have been easier for Christ to do? Call 12 legions of angels to save Himself? Or die for you?

Which is being the whimpish type? Which is braver?

The Triumphal Entry

Luke19:37When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen:
38"Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord!"[2]
"Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!"
39Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, "Teacher, rebuke your disciples!"
40"I tell you," he replied, "if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out."
41As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it

Here is our King's Triumphal entry: sitting on a donkey's colt, gentle, going to his death, weeping...

I do agree that Christ will return, and when He does, he will judge the living and the dead.

Hebrews 10:30
For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"

But not yet. For now:

Colossians 3
12Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.

 

[gnine]

I just saw that this forum is aimed at military members and their spouses. I hadn't clicked on the society link, so I didn't see that, and you can't see it from the CF home page.

Since I'm neither, I probably should leave you guys to it and not intrude.

Ciao. I'll see some of you around, I'm sure.


No hard feelings, I hope genz. I'll continue the conversation on another thread if you want to start one and PM me the URL.

Inquisitor and daidhaid - its been a pleasure. daidhaid, I hope that one day you return to the pure faith and see the completely apolitical nature of God's kingdom.

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/...age=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on

John 18:36
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/...age=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=onhttp://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/...age=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on

 

[daidhaid]

I just saw that this forum is aimed at military members and their spouses. I hadn't clicked on the society link, so I didn't see that, and you can't see it from the CF home page.

Since I'm neither, I probably should leave you guys to it and not intrude.

Ciao. I'll see some of you around, I'm sure.


No hard feelings, I hope genz. I'll continue the conversation on another thread if you want to start one and PM me the URL.

Inquisitor and daidhaid - its been a pleasure. daidhaid, I hope that one day you return to the pure faith and see the completely apolitical nature of God's kingdom.

I really enjoy your posts you give me things to ponder and hope that there is some goodness in Christianity,
I think you should hang around.
Thanx.

 

[GenemZ]

But you never answered my question:

What would have been easier for Christ to do? Call 12 legions of angels to save Himself? Or die for you?

I did not realize that you expected an answer to that one. I thought it was simply rhetorical based upon your bias.

Well... Its not an issue of what would have been easier. You might as well have asked me, what was easier for Jesus. Resisting temptation? Or, giving in? I sww it as a nonsense question. But, now I realize that you wished for me to answer it. The love of Christ for his own would have never considered the angels saving him. Its a moot point.

Which is being the whimpish type? Which is braver?

I think you are seeing this from a different perspective. One I do not share. I do not question the integrity of Jesus. Whimp and Jesus are diametrically opposed terms to me. I just can not picture him as being whimpy in any way. Maybe you can. That's why maybe you can ask such a question?

Here is our King's Triumphal entry: sitting on a donkey's colt, gentle, going to his death, weeping...

Jesus was not weeping because he was going to his death. The Jews were saying things (Hosanna!) that were wanting him to deliver them from Rome NOW! (they saw him as a political savior), not saving from their sins. Jesus wept for Jerusalem. not himself. Jesus already saw its destruction to take place in 70AD. Jesus knew that Jerusalem was to be judged.

"I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate." Matthew 23:36-38 niv

I do agree that Christ will return, and when He does, he will judge the living and the dead.

But not yet. For now:

Jesus only judges the unbeliever. He "evaluates" the believer. There is no judgement (condemnation) to the believer. For Jesus took upon himself the punishment for all our sins. And, unbelievers will be condemned for only one sin. The rejection of Jesus Christ. All their other sins will not be mentioned at the final judgement. Their judgement is their sentencing. Ours, will be evaluation.
Grace and peace, GeneZ

 

[ian90]

Don't loose sight of the fact that he is defending your country.

If you think about it the Iraqi's are the one's defending their country, not the coaltion forces : (Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Rep, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Thailand, United Kingdom, Ukraine and the US.)

 

[daidhaid]

If you think about it the Iraqi's are the one's defending their country, not the coaltion forces : (Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Rep, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Thailand, United Kingdom, Ukraine and the US.)

a disturbing thought...
one we need to consider carefully without pushing to a preset conclusion.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

Here I was told that iraq was in the middle of a civil war.... I wonder who told my that.... oh yeah, my miltary commanders who get their intel from washington.

Our purpose there was to stablize the country, and try be rid of the terrorism which lived in that country.

 

[daidhaid]

I wonder who told my that.... oh yeah, my miltary commanders who get their intel from washington.

Intel from Washington heh heh... that just sounds funny.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

Intel from Washington heh heh... that just sounds funny.

we agree again.

 

[knuckle50]

I find it hard to believe any Christian can endorse war.

i find it hard to believe that any human being with any sense of morals whatsoever can start a war, at least when unprovoked. whos with me?

 

[MatthewG215]

i find it hard to believe that any human being with any sense of morals whatsoever can start a war, at least when unprovoked. whos with me?

I'm with you.