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Jesus didn't need to address attempting to murder a child as a reason for divorce because in His day, if you attempted to murder a child - you were sentenced to death. No need for divorce if the spouse is dead.

Raping children would 100% qualify as sexual immorality and is obviously a justified reason for divorce.


God created marriage to be beautiful and loving. Not as a way to lock a woman into a lifetime of abuse. Physically abusing the spouse is clearly not Bible approved, though I'm not sure what the Biblical punishment for abuse was. Spousal abuse is a good reason for divorce.

As Sketcher was pointing out, the context of Jesus' statements were directed at men who were divorcing wives for frivolous reasons. Not for heinous crimes such as what you mention.


I also don't like that you've kinda lumped us all into one big boat because of a few idiots that can't read the words in context. But a few bad apples spoil the bunch, so I guess that stuff happens.

Sorry that some people are dumb. :)

I wasn't talking about divorce for frivolous reasons. I don't believe I have lumped everyone into one big boat. I am a Christian, but I am am also realistic and logical. I am speaking of those Christians that are neither one.

There are those that take scripture about adultery literally. Guess it's easier to do that than actually think things out.
 
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I wasn't talking about divorce for frivolous reasons. I don't believe I have lumped everyone into one big boat. I am a Christian, but I am also realistic and logical. I am speaking of those Christians that are neither one.
I appreciate it, just keep in mind that emotional issues do provoke emotional reactions that you might not even be able to explain at some later point when you reflect on them.
There are those that take scripture about adultery literally. Guess it's easier to do that than actually think things out.
I get what you're saying. Just, thinking things out is what I think of as "literal"! I think they call it "Biblical-Historical literal," the idea that Jesus was speaking plainly to His audience, so we need to account for that. I side with you, taking individual sentences of Jesus' as some kind of legal text without understanding Him is unthinking. Paul said something similar about people who did that to Mosaic Law, in 2 Corinthians 3.
 
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I wasn't talking about divorce for frivolous reasons. I don't believe I have lumped everyone into one big boat. I am a Christian, but I am am also realistic and logical. I am speaking of those Christians that are neither one.

There are those that take scripture about adultery literally. Guess it's easier to do that than actually think things out.


I understand your anger at some of the posters here, but her post was agreeing with what you said and just elaborating on how people are distorting what Jesus said in the bible. No one's claiming you are referring to divorcing for frivolous reasons.
 
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I understand your anger at some of the posters here, but her post was agreeing with what you said and just elaborating on how people are distorting what Jesus said in the bible. No one's claiming you are referring to divorcing for frivolous reasons.
And by "her post" I hope you mean "his" :)

If you were referring to my post, the rest of what you wrote is spot on.
 
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I do literally believe the Bible. I don't think that means you give a meaning to verses in the Bible that aren't supported by the rest of scripture. As others have pointed out, there is a context to the scriptures and we need to consider this when we are establishing doctrine from it. The primary commands given to us as disciples of Jesus is to love God with our entire being and to love others as ourselves. Unfortunately, we can forget that in the process of debating doctrine. Pray for those that are unloving in their behavior. It is a travesty that the body of Christ would do harm rather than lift up and bring comfort and healing.

Your experience, unfortunately, is repeated time and time again around the world. I pray that God will continue to bless you and comfort you. I pray He will continue to use you as a blessing and an example to others and that He will lead you in His will. I pray that your marriage and family will grow stronger and stronger in our Lord Jesus. I pray that He will move in the lives of your parents and draw them to Him and that there would forgiveness and restoration. Also, I pray that God would move on His church and convict us of our failure to abide in Him and to love others the way that He calls us to.
 
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I don't believe any real Christians would think your mother should have stayed. In Biblical times your father would have been stoned to death for what he did so I don't think divorce is an issue. Satan rules this world and we must resist every hint of his works and lead by the example that Jesus Christ gave us.
 
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