Isn't God evil, if He allowed Adam's fall to harm us?

[JAL]

I don't even know what you are talking about..... You are complicating a very simple and basic truth.

You don't know what relevance is the materiality of Adam's soul? Did you not read the OP?

 

[JacksBratt]

Ok so He didn't need us.

So just for the fun of it - fun that He doesn't need since an infinitely self-sufficient God can create His own fun - He creates a world where potentially 100 billion people wind up in hell.

Only if they choose to.

And if any of US behaved that way, how would feel about it? You'd call us monsters!

Only if there was 100 billion people who could not qualify for heaven due to their own inadequacies. But we know this is not true because Christ died for everyone and salvation is a free gift to those that ask. Every human has the exact same chance. Every human is equal. The salvation of each soul has been paid for.

All you have to do is ask.... Therefore..... no monster.

Again, what is your definition of a Christian?

 

[JacksBratt]

You don't know what relevance is the materiality of Adam's soul? Did you not read the OP?

I read it... it is insignificant to the simple concept of the gospel.

 

[JAL]

I read it... it is insignificant to the simple concept of the gospel.

Right. The 'simple' concept of where an infinitely self-sufficient God - who claims to be maximally kind - finds a valid excuse to needlessly create a world where billions go to hell. That's the 'simple' gospel right?

That sure isn't the gospel that I believe in.

 

[JacksBratt]

Right. The 'simple' concept of where an infinitely self-sufficient God - who claims to be maximally kind - finds a valid excuse to needlessly create a world where billions go to hell. That's the 'simple' gospel right?

That sure isn't the gospel that I believe in.

You're right. That is not the gospel... so why are you perpetrating it?

 

[JacksBratt]

Right. The 'simple' concept of where an infinitely self-sufficient God - who claims to be maximally kind - finds a valid excuse to needlessly create a world where billions go to hell. That's the 'simple' gospel right?

That sure isn't the gospel that I believe in.

Still no comment on what you consider to be a Christian?

 

[JAL]

Still no comment on what you consider to be a Christian?

Nicene

 

[JAL]

Still no comment on what you consider to be a Christian?

I see, you think that because I claim to have a solution to the problem of evil, I must not be a christian, right? That's your angle? Your reasoning being, 'We Christians already know that we're all stuck with this kind of God so there's no way this guy has a fix"

 

[JAL]

Still no comment on what you consider to be a Christian?

Still no comment on my question about child abuse?

 

[JAL]

It's a simple Yes-No question/answer.

 

[Johan_1988]

He shows the magnitude of His love, to the innocent, by punishing them for Adam's sin? By inflicting upon them a sinful nature excruciatingly painful in its harmful side effects?

Unfortunately human beings in general become complacent and forget about God when things are going well. Pain and suffering brings in a need for God and shows us we cannot make it on our own. God also desires willful obedience. Even the angels were tempted to rebel against God.

The reward of obeying God by accepting his salvation through Jesus Christ is life everlasting. So even in the face of present suffering it has a reward that far outweighs it:

Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Sin also causes the grace of God to abound:

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

 

[JAL]

Again, what is your definition of a Christian?

Again, still no comment on my question about child abuse? I can't imagine that's a challenging question, is it? I mean, you're the one who said the gospel is incredibly simple, right? You said that I'm the one overcomplicating it, needlessly trying to create an issue where none exists. Isn't that what you said?

As for your question, I wasn't going to answer it because I thought we all agreed on it here on CF - didn't see the relevance. As I said, Nicene.

 

[JacksBratt]

Nicene

That says what you can state about God...Even Satan would believe all of this..... But what "makes" you a Christian.

 

[JacksBratt]

I see, you think that because I claim to have a solution to the problem of evil, I must not be a christian, right? That's your angle? Your reasoning being, 'We Christians already know that we're all stuck with this kind of God so there's no way this guy has a fix"

I have no angle... What is this "solution" to evil that you have and why is it necessary?

There is no need for your solution. Christ has already given us salvation... We come to God through Him..

I really am interested to hear what this "solution" is though and why it is necessary.

 

[JacksBratt]

Still no comment on my question about child abuse?

Maybe you could give me an example of this abuse.

 

[JacksBratt]

Again, still no comment on my question about child abuse? I can't imagine that's a challenging question, is it? I mean, you're the one who said the gospel is incredibly simple, right? You said that I'm the one overcomplicating it, needlessly trying to create an issue where none exists. Isn't that what you said?

As for your question, I wasn't going to answer it because I thought we all agreed on it here on CF - didn't see the relevance. As I said, Nicene.

Seriously? I have a life... If I post other things and ignore some question... then you can prod.... but I haven't even been near a computer for hours...

 

[JAL]

Seriously? I have a life... If I post other things and ignore some question... then you can prod.... but I haven't even been near a computer for hours...

You asked 'Still no comment...?' as if I were taking too long. I was just responding in kind.

 

[JAL]

Maybe you could give me an example of this abuse.

Um...I thought I gave you one.

 

[JAL]

I have no angle... What is this "solution" to evil that you have and why is it necessary?

There is no need for your solution. Christ has already given us salvation... We come to God through Him..

I really am interested to hear what this "solution" is though and why it is necessary.

I asked you a question about child abuse. Until I'm sure you comprehend child abuse, I have no optimism that you'll comprehend my solution - or even why it's needed.

 

[JacksBratt]

I asked you a question about child abuse. Until I'm sure you comprehend child abuse, I have no optimism that you'll comprehend my solution - or even why it's needed.

Well, you talk about this "child abuse" but I am uncertain that I comprehend who is doing the abusing and what the abuse entails.
If you could kindly detail what you are meaning, it would avoid any confusion in my reply.