Islamic Misogyny

[salida]

Yeah, women have it very bad around these animals. These type of animals have no excuse at all. I have much more respect for the real animal world. I'm sorry that she didnt have a gun to defend herself against this malignant monster. The same should be done to him!! Only 10x's.

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[Belk]

Yeah, women have it very bad around these animals. These type of animals have no excuse at all. I have much more respect for the real animal world. I'm sorry that she didnt have a gun to defend herself against this malignant monster. The same should be done to him!! Only 10x's.

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Yeah, some have it pretty bad. From what I understand it tends to be in there more rural area's. There have been a lot of human rights organizations trying to raise awareness of the issue. Guns will not help, since the woman would be convicted of a crime for defending herself in a lot of cases. The only thing that will help is education and trying to foster a culture where this type of thing is no longer tolerated.

 

[Kharak]

Saying that all Moslems would condone such behaivor is like saying all Christian condone the abusive polygamy of the FCLS.

 

[quatona]

Yeah, women have it very bad around these animals. These type of animals have no excuse at all. I have much more respect for the real animal world. I'm sorry that she didnt have a gun to defend herself against this malignant monster. The same should be done to him!! Only 10x's.

Yes, 10x more violence should always be our first choice when it comes to dealing with violence.
Didn´t even Jesus say "If someone slaps you in the face once, slap him back 10 times!"?

 

[david_x]

Yes, 10x more violence should always be our first choice when it comes to dealing with violence.
Didn´t even Jesus say "If someone slaps you in the face once, slap him back 10 times!"?

She didn't say the lady should do it. It's the governments responsibility to punish and protect.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Wrong forum.

 

[sandwiches]

Yeah, women have it very bad around these animals. These type of animals have no excuse at all. I have much more respect for the real animal world. I'm sorry that she didnt have a gun to defend herself against this malignant monster. The same should be done to him!! Only 10x's.

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So, the answer to this violence is more violence?

 

[quatona]

She didn't say the lady should do it.

And I didn´t say she said the lady should do it.

 

[HannahBanana]

Yeah, women have it very bad around these animals. These type of animals have no excuse at all. I have much more respect for the real animal world. I'm sorry that she didnt have a gun to defend herself against this malignant monster. The same should be done to him!! Only 10x's.

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Why does it matter that he was a Muslim?

 

[david_x]

And I didn´t say she said the lady should do it.

But then turning the other cheek doesn't apply.

 

[Wedjat]

Ring ring... hey pot, it's kettle.

 

[quatona]

But then turning the other cheek doesn't apply.

I didn´t say anything of "turning the other cheek" either.
(But out of interest: Why wouldn´t it apply? I don´t recall anything in Jesus´ teachings that said something to the effect of "turn the other cheek and let the community act out the revenge!")

I simply don´t think that responding to violence with 10 times more violence is a good idea (no matter whether it´s the response of the individual or of the community).
More on a sidenote, I voiced my impression that Jesus, too, didn´t think it was a good idea. It´s well possible that my impression was wrong, though. In which case - not being a Christian and all - I reserve the right to still thinking that it is not a good idea.

I hope this helped clarifying my apparently confusing initial post.

 

[david_x]

I didn´t say anything of "turning the other cheek" either.
(But out of interest: Why wouldn´t it apply? I don´t recall anything in Jesus´ teachings that said something to the effect of "turn the other cheek and let the community act out the revenge!")

I simply don´t think that responding to violence with 10 times more violence is a good idea (no matter whether it´s the response of the individual or of the community).
More on a sidenote, I voiced my impression that Jesus, too, didn´t think it was a good idea. It´s well possible that my impression was wrong, though. In which case - not being a Christian and all - I reserve the right to still thinking that it is not a good idea.

I hope this helped clarifying my apparently confusing initial post.

Turn the ether cheek can apply to a Christian community, but God put governments in place to uphold the laws and protect the people. 10x may be too much it may be to little, here it would be decided by his peers.

 

[salida]

quat-

Jesus didn't say be a doormat. The bible is for laws to punish those who murder, rape and abuse others. I just believe this punishment fits the crime.

Turning the other cheek means to love others-not to get kicked around like a dog and don't defend yourself.

Do you believe in capital punishment? Is this violence to you? Our country is too lenient when it comes to punishing criminals. This is some of the reasons why are prisons are filled up.

Its not a matter of revenge but a matter of punishment for a crime. There is a vast difference. You must punish criminals.

 

[quatona]

quat-

Jesus didn't say be a doormat.

Neither did I.

The bible is for laws to punish those who murder, rape and abuse others.

I would be interested to learn in which chapters and verses Jesus covers this topic.

I just believe this punishment fits the crime.

Yeah, doing the same ten times in return fits the crime alright.

Turning the other cheek means to love others-not to get kicked around like a dog and don't defend yourself.

This was not about being kicked around without defending yourself. It was about paying back violence ten times after it has been done.

Do you believe in capital punishment?

Yes, I believe in its existence.

Is this violence to you?

Sure it is.

 

[HannahBanana]

quat-

Jesus didn't say be a doormat. The bible is for laws to punish those who murder, rape and abuse others. I just believe this punishment fits the crime.

Turning the other cheek means to love others-not to get kicked around like a dog and don't defend yourself.

Do you believe in capital punishment? Is this violence to you? Our country is too lenient when it comes to punishing criminals. This is some of the reasons why are prisons are filled up.

Its not a matter of revenge but a matter of punishment for a crime. There is a vast difference. You must punish criminals.

When did Jesus ever say that punishing others is okay? If he didn't say that, then why do you think it's okay to do that, even though you yourself claim to follow Christ's words and teachings?

 

[brightmorningstar]

To HannahBanana,

Why does it matter that he was a Muslim?

Because Islam as well as the culture, is the ideology behind this. By the way Jesus teaches not to punish but also that in the world people will be out in prison and punished.

 

[Kharak]

To HannahBanana,
Because Islam as well as the culture, is the ideology behind this.

The same culture that has had female heads of state? You're oversimplifying the role of religion in this matter: Such horrid things have happened across all religions. Christianity has the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-Day Saints, for example.

By the way Jesus teaches not to punish but also that in the world people will be out in prison and punished.

Prisons did not exist until recently. Hence the show trials and subsequent crucifixion.

 

[BasinBrat]

I would call it Islamic misogyny, if only for the reason that Islamic countries such as Pakistan have laws which institutionalise the abuse and subjugation of women. Women in Islamic countries are routinely given less rights and protections than men - they can be stoned to death for not marrying their rapist, for example, and it is legal. Islam in these countries is the state sanctioned religion and the punishments in the name of Islam then generally have state backing.

Which in turn poses an interesting question - Are things intrinsically wrong? If your government and your family and your religion and your society say that pouring acid on a woman's face is an acceptable thing to do, are you supposed to intrinsically know that it is not?

 

[brightmorningstar]

To Kharak,

You're oversimplifying the role of religion in this matter: Such horrid things have happened across all religions. Christianity has the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-Day Saints, for example.

Firstly I am quite happy to debate the views of church of Latter-Day Saints with you separately if you wish, whether they are fundamentalist would probably depend on that, I would say they were liberal.
As to the role of religion, I think worldwide more women than not wear the veil, and one would have to look at what the Quran says what hadith says in respect to what Mohammed said and did to decided whether Islamic interpretation was behind this or merely culture. That horrid things have been committed in the name of religion, one has to qualify that with whether they are representative of that religion or not.

Prisons did not exist until recently. Hence the show trials and subsequent crucifixion.

I would challenge that as completely false, I think prison was around and is mentioned in the NT.