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michaelb · May 20, 2007

i agree with you on some points but if nf/bnp get muslims riled and they react to provocation then things will esculate and also by the time of demo the numbers from both sides will be much much higher. do we want to see innocent people getting hurt? i for one dont!!!

sebastian · May 20, 2007

it'll be fine mate, don't worry, i bet nobody will even know it happened. even if it does kick off, no innocents will get hurt, the first thing to happen is to redirect crowds and get people to safety.

michaelb · May 20, 2007

hope you are right my friend

michaelb · May 20, 2007

http://www.petitiononline.com/britoppr/petition.html

sebastian · May 20, 2007

well, we'll see. it is a pretty stupid cause to demonstrate over though. that poster of thier is quite funny, it shows 3 cops standing behind loads of people holding posters saying "behead those who insult islam" yeah, real oppressing...

Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK · May 20, 2007

They feel oppressed because the 7/7 bombers were jailed?

Utterly screwed up people.

Robbie_James_Francis · May 20, 2007

Although there have been incidents where Muslims have been treated wrongly, such as in certain cases in Iraq, this group is clearly looking for a huge anti-Islamic conspiracy to gain support.

They claim that arresting people for holding signs that say "Behead those that insult Islam" is an affront to freedom of speech, and yet the Danish cartoons of Muhammed should not be allowed. The latter is an issue of free speech and freedom of the press, the former is incitement to violence and murder. I can perhaps understand the stance that both should be permitted, but the idea that the cartoons should not and the incitement should is ridiculous.

Jack Straw did not 'demand' that women remove their veils, and he didn't say Muslim women in veils are dangerous.

If they think there is such huge oppression in Britain simply because we do not demand that everyone respect Islam, its god and its prophet, let them move to an Islamic country like Saudi Arabia. They'll see what oppression really is when they try to organise any sort of demonstration in that backwards and barbaric fascist state.

I don't think we should be trying to stop this demonstration at all, because this group will only use that to support their exaggerated notions about the oppression of British Muslims. Let them protest freely, so the entire world can see them and laugh at their stupidity as they freely and openly speak out against the government without being silenced, and all the while claim that they are being oppressed.

non-religious · May 21, 2007

This is such a non-event. I would be surprised if it makes any news.

Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK · May 26, 2007

See my post on crime. Bring back the death penalty, it works.

Robbie_James_Francis · May 26, 2007

Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK said:
See my post on crime. Bring back the death penalty, it works.

You're probably right...inasmuch as if we're going to lower ourselves to brutal barbarism, the extremists and criminals won't have to do it for us.

chadders · May 26, 2007

Robbie_James_Francis said:
You're probably right...inasmuch as if we're going to lower ourselves to brutal barbarism, the extremists and criminals won't have to do it for us.

Where the extremists come from the death penalty is law. If we bring back the law two things will happen. 1: people will feel more intimidated. 2: we'll be one step closer to being another country other than Britain. There does need to be tougher laws particularly concerning visas and immigration but changing the way we live to accommodate extremists will get us nowhere.

Casslanpepci · May 30, 2007

Well if Muslims feel oppressed in Britian then why don't they leave and go live in an Islamic country? They didn't have to come and live here!

sebastian · May 30, 2007

well, what if they were born here?

Casslanpepci · May 30, 2007

If they were born here, then they should support the British way of Life. If they do not like it, then they can go live in the country of their ancestors. If they are converts from British stock, then why don't they emigrate to a nice Islamic country where they can live that way of life in Islamic "freedom".

It was their parents choice to come here and live in a free country; it is their choice to remain in this country; and it is the choice of the British convert to remain here. If they feel so oppressed then they should pack up and leave. We do not want traitors to our way of life here, for if there was an Islamic take over bid, (and that is not as far fetched as you may think) we all know what side they would be on. All would be welcomed with open arms in any Islamic country.

sebastian · May 30, 2007

Because they were born here and it's thier country, they can protest and march all they like and i'm glad they do.

Where are you from? you have an NZ flag so why don't you go back to your own country of you don't like the way my country allows people to demonstrate about how the country they live in works? do you find that an offensive an unfair comment? 'cos it's the same as what your saying. I don't agree with thier religious beliefs by they can express it all they like and not be told to go back to thier own country!

michaelb · Jun 2, 2007

sebastian said:
well, what if they were born here?

my dog was born in a stable but that dont make it a horse does it???

theFijian · Jun 2, 2007

michaelb said:
my dog was born in a stable but that dont make it a horse does it???

Why don't you tell us who famously first coined that phrase.

sebastian · Jun 2, 2007

my dog was born in a stable but that dont make it a horse does it???

what? look, species is not the same as citizenship is it? if that's the case then I'm Irish, though they wouldn't accept me as Irish, I've never even been there, I don't fit in with the culture. should I go and live in Ireland?

bunced · Jun 2, 2007

Ephraimsdaughter said:
Well if Muslims feel oppressed in Britian then why don't they leave and go live in an Islamic country? They didn't have to come and live here!

And if Christians in Britain feel oppressed they do have every right to protest? Nice double standards here

michaelb · Jun 3, 2007

theFijian said:
Why don't you tell us who famously first coined that phrase.

That was the Duke of Wellington's famous reply after having been accused of being Irish.

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