Allah curses the hypocrites, the diseased hearts; wherever they are found they will be seized and slain mercilessly
33:60-61
This is not God made, Its clear cut Man-made.
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YUSUFALI: Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and
those who stir up sedition in the City, desist not, We shall certainly stir thee up against them: Then will they not be able to stay in it as thy neighbours for any length of time:
PICKTHAL: If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and
the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbours in it but a little while.
SHAKIR: If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease and
the agitators in the city do not desist, We shall most certainly set you over them, then they shall not be your neighbors in it but for a little while;
KHALIFA: Unless the hypocrites, and those with disease in their hearts, and
the vicious liars of the city refrain (from persecuting you), we will surely grant you the upper hand, then they will be forced to leave within a short while.
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YUSUFALI: They shall have a curse on them: whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy).
I thought your knowledge of Islam was great?
This right here exhibits quite the opposite. You took a select verse out of context and proclaim your opinion that it is man derived. God gives permission to slay hypcroties who are causing trouble. So I pose the question: Why do you have the opinion this is man-derived?
Muhammad forced his followers to leave their families (
8:72) and gathered them in Yathrib. He said:
And those who believed but did not leave their homes, ye have no duty to protect them till they leave their homes. He warned those who did not follow him, leaving behind their families, will be cursed by Allah and
their habitation will be hell(4:97).
Look at the verses. Is This Allah(God) say all these ??
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YUSUFALI: Those who believed, and adopted exile, and fought for the Faith, with their property and their persons, in the cause of Allah, as well as those who gave (them) asylum and aid,- these are (all) friends and protectors, one of another. As to those who believed but came not into exile, ye owe no duty of protection to them until they come into exile; but if they seek your aid in religion, it is your duty to help them, except against a people with whom ye have a treaty of mutual alliance. And (remember) Allah seeth all that ye do.
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YUSUFALI: When angels take the souls of those
who die in sin against their souls, they say: "In what (plight) Were ye?" They reply: "Weak and oppressed Were we in the earth." They say: "Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to move yourselves away (From evil)?" Such men will find their abode in Hell,- What an evil refuge! -
What in God's name are you talking about? Your selective quoting of the Qur'an and lies are enough to conclude you are one to be trusted. I challenge you support what you've just stated here in full and not just rant and rave against Islam mindlessly.
"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you? (Q.2:216). Is really fighting good for us? In another place he says:
Unless ye go forth, He (Allah) will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place? (Q.9:39).
These are not the teachings of a loving God.
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YUSUFALI: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
God isn't commanding us to be Warlike peoples. This verse needs to be viewed with the rest of what the Qur'an has to say about War, that it should only be performed as a reaction to an enemy offensive.
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that,
when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
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YUSUFALI: Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things.
I see no problem with muslims being urged to strive in the cause of God. Also it present your vain opinon once again with no objective backing. I suggest you stick more to facts and stop proclaiming lies based solely on your personal opinions.
THE HOLY QURAN IS A CLEAR MAN-MADE IDEOLGY
One of the cardinal beliefs of the Muslims is this: The Quran is the only Religious Book that was not written by any human, and that all of its messages had come down to Muhammad in Allahs own words.
My research into the Quran proves that the above claim is false. Here is what its verse 16:51 says, and what I have understood from it.
Allah has said: Take not (for worship) two gods: for He is just One Allah: then fear Me (and Me alone).
If we need a specific verse from the Quran that irrefutably proves that it also contains Muhammads words and statements, this is it!
You once again need to explain your point further. You proclaimed, once again, something to be a fact and truth and offered very weak backing, if any at all. How is this proof that Muhammad's words and statements are in the Qur'an?
Not only the first three words and the construction of the statement prove that the speaker of the statement was Muhammad; even the nuances of the Arabic grammar that govern the use of punctuation marks make it absolutely clear that it was Muhammad, and not Allah, who spoke those words of the verse.
It doesn't, this is an assumption on your part due to your basis against the religion and faith of Islam. In fact why don't you try reading the entire Surah, or if you have read it unbasisly as hard as this request is. When the Qur'an says "And Jesus said "blah blah blah"" it includes quotations by Jesus, would you like to rant and rave on this as well?
Quran 9:5 says: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them it is not talking about the people of Book such as Christians and Jews but of pagans who associate partners with God.
I dont know how one can worship a god who says kill those who ascribe partners to him. So what? Why this god is so jealous, petty and paranoid? If there are no other gods but him why is he so desperate to the degree that he orders his prophet to murder those who think he has partners?
This has already been explained in a past post on this thread infact...This is a permission for warfare once an intial offensive by the enemy has already happened. This isn't allowing muslims to go around starting wars left and right against pagans.
The quranic statements don't make sense at all.
This might be because you don't have the understanding nor the capacity to understand it through such a closed-mind. Look at my past post and maybe your understanding will come, yet again maybe not.
1.Muslims are told to dismiss any criticism of Islam as coming from Satan and they often avoid reading critical views about their Faith. This is what happening to you.
You were formerly a muslim eh? After even such a limited amount of posts I find this hard to believe...
Regardless, I urge and challenge you to present any Qur'an that supports this view. And I am very open to critical views on my faith, why else would I go to
RELIGIOUS FORUM BOARDS. Maybe
TO DISCUSS MY FAITH AND OTHER FAITHS. I infact take part in several religious forums boards and even discuss my faith and other faiths in my online journal...It seems you have mislabeled me for one, and even on a larger scale Islam.
2. Muslims are instilled with the fear of leaving Islam. This fear comes in two forms. One is the fear of Hell and of eternal punishment and the other is the fear of being caught and put to death by fellow Muslims, including their best friends and family.
Some maybe. But fear isn't what keeps me from leaving. And true believers shouldn't need fear to keep their faith. And again I challenge you to present a verse from the Qur'an asking muslims to put someone to death for leaving Islam.
3.
Muslims are discouraged to take friends from amongst the unbelievers even if these unbelievers are their kin. 3:28 They are told the unbelievers are najis (filthy) 9:28 and that the believers should not associate with them.
This verse when taken in context, which you failed to do, will detest your view:
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YUSUFALI:
Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe!
Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
9:28 has nothing to do with being their friends or helpers and 3:28 clearly asks that we perfer believers over disbelievers as friends and/or helpers. There is nothing morally wrong with perference, if you feel otherwise I challenge you to bring up good solid moral arguments on grounds of your position. I have plently of friends who are not believers, but I do make perference to believers as the Qur'ans asks of muslims.
The quranic statements made me sick. Simple as that.
The only thing I find sick is your selective quoting of the Qur'an and misleading thoughts about these selective quotes you pick out and remove from the context.
Simple as that.
Simple Idea. When say a man who is a free-thinker normally sees all man equal, than when he starts to read the quran and becomes a muslim, he divides people naming them people of the book, pagans, infidels, kafir and so on.
No different then distinguishing a cat from a dog or a woman from a man. Are distinctions immoral? Is this the point you're striving at? If so again I challenge you to produce for me a solid moral argument in favor of this view.
This same statement of another man, say another freethinker who sees all human-beings as equal but when he starts to read the Bhagavad-Gita he Sees ALL Living Being as Equal and treats every-living being with respect.
Here I see man-made thinking and concepts. "Treat everyone EQUAL" What is equal? I impore you to offer me a good defintion.
Also it this comment again confirms my thoughts on just how basis you are against Islam.
I can pray to a Hindu God for your well-being. I can pray to Krishna that you have a good health, but can you pray to Allah for my well-being ? Can you pray to Allah for my good health ??? Health of a Pagan/Infidel/kafir/unclean soul like me.
Of course I can, where does God tell muslims they can't Prayer for the well-being, good health, etc. of nonbelievers? It isn't a command, but it certainly is permissible. If I remember correctly there is a statment that the people in heaven will Prayer for the people in Hell to be released from Hell and allowed into Heaven
The above statements is enough to judge Islam and Hindusim. I rest my case.
Since when is this a "Hinduism vs Islam" discussion. Such a discussion, in my opinion, is idle/vain. I have no desire to sit around and insult another religion and proclaim lies as if they were facts. I do however look at what remains constant, the Scriptures of the religion, and often times will ask questions and offer what I understand from the text and see the variant understandings. However I would never sit around and stubbornly proclaim my understanding as absolute and disregard everyone else as stupid/ignorant. Yet even sometimes I have to pull the plug due to someone how is just making remarks without any contextual backing, yet even then I don't insult them, I'll just point out they have no contexual backing.
I believe you intentions are misplaced. God Willing maybe you will be able to change this.
Peace