Islam & Racism

[smaneck]

Hi there people
Does other people have the same problem we do in Australia, in that when you criticise Islam the "racism card" gets played & your accused of been a racist ! Even though you make it quite clear that your only against Islam's doctrine & theology, and that you do not in any circumstance hate Arabs !
If so how do you combat such ?

okay, let me be a bit less facetious. There is no single islamic 'doctrine and theology' anymore than there is a single Christian doctrine and theology. Different Christians have different doctrines and theologies and the same is true with muslims. overgeneralizing about muslims may not be racism but it is prejudice.

 

[smaneck]

The whole Islam ideology in general I'am against !

Really? Because the only 'general' islamic ideology i know of is that there is only one God and Muhammad is his prophet. So are you against the notion of one God?

& How can you be a Christian & be a racist ?

may i invite you to the American Bible belt? i can introduce you to millions of them. here is a statement from the White knights of mississippi (kkk) as to what they stand for;


WE STAND FOR:
PRESERVATION OF THE WHITE RACE
PRESERVING THE MISSISSIPPI STATE FLAG
NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY, AMERICA FIRST
PRESERVING CHRISTIANITY
THE RIGHT TO PRACTICE THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
PRAYERS IN SCHOOL
PRESERVING THE WESTERN CULTURE AND CIVILIZATION
A THREE TIER SCHOOL SYSTEM, WITH WHITE SCHOOLS,
BLACK SCHOOLS, AND INTEGRATED SCHOOLS.
ALLOWING A CHOICE TO ATTEND THE SCHOOL OF PREFERENCE

Also if you are applying that I'm a racist because I appose Islam, that is like saying that people who oppose Christianity, Buddhism, or Hinduism are racist, which is totally absurd to say the least.

not necessarily, but they may be bigoted.

 

[smaneck]

How can you be a Christian & be a racist ?

Ask these guys;

https://www.kkkknights.com/

'Our goal is to help restore America to a White Christian nation founded on God's word. This does not mean that we want to see anything bad happen to the darker races, we simply want to live separate from them. As GOD intended. (Lev.20:24-25) .. .
It is the duty of all white Christian men and women to fight against the Communist who have stolen our Nation. . .

To strengthen the bonds of Christian fellowship among our brothers and sisters. We would love for all white Christian Americans to become a part of our family. To take place in the struggle for our peoples survival. Our great race has created all which is great in the world today. Just look at Europe, the great buildings and monuments our people have erected. Just look at America the Country that our forefathers fought and died for. They tried to make a white Christian homeland for its people. Which they did our people knew the value of its blood. We as a people knew not to mix with the darker races our own Government knew the downfall of what would happen if we did.They even had laws to prevent race mixed marriages on the books until 1959. It was not until the late 70's to mid 80's you really started to see mixed couples in the streets of America. Even then it was still rare it was more around the early 90's is when this trend started to spread. The Communist said they would bring America down without one shot being fired. They saidthey would win the WAR against Christian America with its own people. They crept right into our Government and changed its whole out look on the world. Just look at the Government controlled T.V. shows of today. Compared to what most Americans watched in the 50's to the 80's and you will see the trend in which is destroying our youth and our people. Just look at the crime rate inAmerica today compared to the past. Most of our youth are on DRUGS or pregnant with a mongrel child. If our forefathers could see America today they would have our Government Leaders put to DEATH. For Treason against the American people. They are rolling in their graves as you read this now. We as a people can change this course in which America has taken. We need to come together as WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS and spread the word to others. Grab the blind Liberals by their heads and shake them until they wake up. From their JEW TUBE naps and tell them to look around because the ship is sinking. And through the Ku Klux Klan we will wake America up to the evils which are in our Government. We will unite proud white Americans to our cause because we have the LORD on our side. And with CHRIST we can't lose. . .
. . . I remember when it was okay to say merry Christmas to others while in the work place. But now it is considered racist to say merry Christmas we have to say happy holidays. Churches are being told you can not have the nativity scene displayed out side their church because it is considered racist. The only people who are speaking out against this is the Jews who do it out of their hatred for Christians and Christ. In John 7:1 Christ tells us the Jews wanted to kill him and they did not the Romans.
We as Loyal White Knights are soldiers of Christ who preach the truth. We are not racist but believe in racial separation as God intended it Gen.11:6-8. We want America back to the great Christian nation it once was. '

 

[smaneck]

This is from a different kkk group;
This is a Christian organization, and none but Christians may join. Reverence for God and obedience to His commandments are the only true sources of wisdom and understanding. The foundations of America were laid by men who feared God and openly confessed the Lord Jesus Christ. They were moral and lived a life shaped by their obedience to the laws of God. The history of the Founding Fathers and of our Nation is the history of a racially pure family. The Klan seeks to preserve that history and family. We cannot hope to be successful if we are in violation of God's Word. Therefore, we obey it as our understanding declares it unto us.
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness?" II Cor. 6:14

http://traditionalistamericanknights.com/

 

[Bassmode]

Really? Because the only 'general' islamic ideology i know of is that there is only one God and Muhammad is his prophet. So are you against the notion of one God?



may i invite you to the American Bible belt? i can introduce you to millions of them. here is a statement from the White knights of mississippi (kkk) as to what they stand for;


WE STAND FOR:
PRESERVATION OF THE WHITE RACE
PRESERVING THE MISSISSIPPI STATE FLAG
NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY, AMERICA FIRST
PRESERVING CHRISTIANITY
THE RIGHT TO PRACTICE THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
PRAYERS IN SCHOOL
PRESERVING THE WESTERN CULTURE AND CIVILIZATION
A THREE TIER SCHOOL SYSTEM, WITH WHITE SCHOOLS,
BLACK SCHOOLS, AND INTEGRATED SCHOOLS.
ALLOWING A CHOICE TO ATTEND THE SCHOOL OF PREFERENCE




not necessarily, but they may be bigoted.

I'm against their Racism against Jews as their Koran/ Hadith states Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

 

[Bassmode]

Ask these guys;

https://www.kkkknights.com/

'Our goal is to help restore America to a White Christian nation founded on God's word. This does not mean that we want to see anything bad happen to the darker races, we simply want to live separate from them. As GOD intended. (Lev.20:24-25) .. .
It is the duty of all white Christian men and women to fight against the Communist who have stolen our Nation. . .

To strengthen the bonds of Christian fellowship among our brothers and sisters. We would love for all white Christian Americans to become a part of our family. To take place in the struggle for our peoples survival. Our great race has created all which is great in the world today. Just look at Europe, the great buildings and monuments our people have erected. Just look at America the Country that our forefathers fought and died for. They tried to make a white Christian homeland for its people. Which they did our people knew the value of its blood. We as a people knew not to mix with the darker races our own Government knew the downfall of what would happen if we did.They even had laws to prevent race mixed marriages on the books until 1959. It was not until the late 70's to mid 80's you really started to see mixed couples in the streets of America. Even then it was still rare it was more around the early 90's is when this trend started to spread. The Communist said they would bring America down without one shot being fired. They saidthey would win the WAR against Christian America with its own people. They crept right into our Government and changed its whole out look on the world. Just look at the Government controlled T.V. shows of today. Compared to what most Americans watched in the 50's to the 80's and you will see the trend in which is destroying our youth and our people. Just look at the crime rate inAmerica today compared to the past. Most of our youth are on DRUGS or pregnant with a mongrel child. If our forefathers could see America today they would have our Government Leaders put to DEATH. For Treason against the American people. They are rolling in their graves as you read this now. We as a people can change this course in which America has taken. We need to come together as WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS and spread the word to others. Grab the blind Liberals by their heads and shake them until they wake up. From their JEW TUBE naps and tell them to look around because the ship is sinking. And through the Ku Klux Klan we will wake America up to the evils which are in our Government. We will unite proud white Americans to our cause because we have the LORD on our side. And with CHRIST we can't lose. . .
. . . I remember when it was okay to say merry Christmas to others while in the work place. But now it is considered racist to say merry Christmas we have to say happy holidays. Churches are being told you can not have the nativity scene displayed out side their church because it is considered racist. The only people who are speaking out against this is the Jews who do it out of their hatred for Christians and Christ. In John 7:1 Christ tells us the Jews wanted to kill him and they did not the Romans.
We as Loyal White Knights are soldiers of Christ who preach the truth. We are not racist but believe in racial separation as God intended it Gen.11:6-8. We want America back to the great Christian nation it once was. '

Hmmm but the Bible says that we are ONE in CHRIST ! as stated in
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Also we told in

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

And again we are told by Paul

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

If you want to look it at this thread in a political worldview you would be hypocritical, as your "American Land" is actually Native Indian, they are the true custodians of the land, just like here in Australia the land belongs to the Aboriginals not Europeans ! Also some of the most beautiful people I have meet are from different cultures. There are bad apples in every race as well as good.
Some of the worst serial killers you guys have had in America are white folk ! and what about the slave trade that went on in America ! Just say'n mixed race is not a bad thing.
Also Jesus was not white as He was a Jew, He would of had olive complexion. The KKK which started from nazism is absurd to say the least, as Hitler could not even belong to the "Aryan Race" as he himself did not have blond & blue eyes ! but was a twisted hypocrite.

 

[Armoured]

Hmmm but the Bible says that we are ONE in CHRIST ! as stated in
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Also we told in

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

And again we are told by Paul

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

If you want to look it at this thread in a political worldview you would be hypocritical, as your "American Land" is actually Native Indian, they are the true custodians of the land, just like here in Australia the land belongs to the Aboriginals not Europeans ! Also some of the most beautiful people I have meet are from different cultures. There are bad apples in every race as well as good.
Some of the worst serial killers you guys have had in America are white folk ! and what about the slave trade that went on in America ! Just say'n mixed race is not a bad thing.
Also Jesus was not white as He was a Jew, He would of had olive complexion. The KKK which started from nazism is absurd to say the least, as Hitler could not even belong to the "Aryan Race" as he himself did not have blond & blue eyes ! but was a twisted hypocrite.

The kkk started from NAZIsm? Sure, why not?

 

[Bassmode]

In Southern California.. Muslims are generally accepted... so their Mosques are around nearby and they welcome inquirers as well. Muslims themselves in my personal experience are not racist.. Belal..the first Muezzin was a liberated slave.

Yeah same here in Australia it is usually the political left and media who accuses some one who opposes Islam

 

[Bassmode]

The kkk started from NAZIsm? Sure, why not?

Well that is a very sad state to be in, as KKK, Nazism and the alike are part of the problem !
We humans all come from Abraham eg ONE RACE
Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

 

[LoAmmi]

We humans all come from Abraham eg ONE RACE
Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Uh.. no. If we were taking the scriptures, everybody comes from Noah. Not everybody is a descendant of Abraham though blood.

I would say the concept of races, however, needs to go away since it's a word without much meaning. We are all humans. We can recognize certain genetic traits that come from regions of the world and such, but that is it.

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

I'm against their Racism against Jews as their Koran/ Hadith states Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

This is regarding the End of Times - a group of Jews will fight against the Muslims. Context. It's important.

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), during his Last Sermon in Minâ, said: “O people! Your Lord is one Lord, and you all share the same father. There is no preference for Arabs over non-Arabs, nor for non-Arabs over Arabs. Neither is there preference for white people over black people, nor for black people over white people. Preference is only through righteousness.” Then he said: “Have I conveyed the message?” and the people declared that he had. [Musnad Ahmad (22391)]

http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-427-3243.htm

O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted. (Surah al-Hujuraat 49:13)

 

[smaneck]

I'm against their Racism against Jews as their Koran/ Hadith states Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:

There are so many ahadith, many more than the Prophet could ever have said or done but there has never been the kind of genocide perpetrated against Jews in the Islamic world as was perpetrated in the West and in Christendom.

 

[smaneck]

Hmmm but the Bible says that we are ONE in CHRIST ! as stated in
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Also we told in

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

And yet in 1 Corinthians Paul states that God is above Christ, Christ is above man and man is above woman. And he returned slaves to their master's and told them to be obedient.

If you want to look it at this thread in a political worldview you would be hypocritical, as your "American Land" is actually Native Indian, they are the true custodians of the land, just like here in Australia the land belongs to the Aboriginals not Europeans ! Also some of the most beautiful people I have meet are from different cultures. There are bad apples in every race as well as good.
Some of the worst serial killers you guys have had in America are white folk ! and what about the slave trade that went on in America ! Just say'n mixed race is not a bad thing.

And it was mostly Christians who did all that. But what is your point.

The KKK which started from nazism is absurd to say the least, as Hitler could not even belong to the "Aryan Race" as he himself did not have blond & blue eyes ! but was a twisted hypocrite.

LOL. The KKK was founded by Nathan Forest who was a former Confederate general. That was nearly a century before Hitler. And by the way, the term Aryan comes from an Indo-European root many nobleman. It was used in India, and none of them were blond and blue-eyed either.

 

[smaneck]

Well that is a very sad state to be in, as KKK, Nazism and the alike are part of the problem !
We humans all come from Abraham eg ONE RACE
Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

One might argue that most of the world's religions come from Abraham, but not the races. But yes, race is a human construct which has no scientific validity.