Islam, Hate Crimes and Backdoor Sharia

[JGG]

i agree.

Yet he continued, till his dying breath.

On a side note, wasn't he stoned at least once, so badly, that he was left for dead?

I think that was Charlie Sheen.

 

[Terminal_Marxicity]

Or you could read it as laws outlawing speech against religion mirrors aspects of sharia anti-blasphemy laws. The problem is that the examples selected were actual violations of property rather than just speech.

Ok, you want those, give me a minute.

 

[brinny]

Yes,

Act 14:19 But Jews came from Antioch and Iconium, and having persuaded the crowds, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing that he was dead.
Act 14:20 But when the disciples gathered about him, he rose up and entered the city, and on the next day he went on with Barnabas to Derbe.

Thank you. I had forgotten where it was written.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Or you could read it as laws outlawing speech against religion mirrors aspects of sharia anti-blasphemy laws. The problem is that the examples selected were actual violations of property rather than just speech.

I'm still waiting for the sharia-fearing folks to turn their attention towards kosher law, which is already much more well-established in this country than sharia.

 

[tall73]

I'm still waiting for the sharia-fearing folks to turn their attention towards kosher law, which is already much more well-established in this country than sharia.

It is enforced by civil law? Where?

 

[Terminal_Marxicity]

Or you could read it as laws outlawing speech against religion mirrors aspects of sharia anti-blasphemy laws. The problem is that the examples selected were actual violations of property rather than just speech.

Man and woman arrested for racist 'Koran burning' YouTube videos | Metro News

Danish man who filmed himself burning the Quran charged with blasphemy

Dutch Man at Protest arrested for wearing Pig Hat because it "May offend Muslims" : Face of a dying Nation : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

Man jailed for leaving bacon sandwich outside mosque found dead in Bristol prison | Daily Mail Online - A crime, but a minor one that never should have put him prison.

 

[tall73]

Ok, you want those, give me a minute.

I wouldn't mind them. However, my larger point is that I think the topic of your thread is valid. I just think that if you are careful to select examples where the person has not otherwise violated any property it would better point out that they are being policed on speech, not on what would at the least be considered acts in poor taste, and by some laws hate crimes.

 

[tall73]

Man and woman arrested for racist 'Koran burning' YouTube videos | Metro News

Danish man who filmed himself burning the Quran charged with blasphemy

Dutch Man at Protest arrested for wearing Pig Hat because it "May offend Muslims" : Face of a dying Nation : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

Man jailed for leaving bacon sandwich outside mosque found dead in Bristol prison | Daily Mail Online - A crime, but a minor one that never should have put him prison.

Agreed, and these are all instances outside of the US. But I do think they are instructive of what can happen in a desire to curb unpopular speech.

The protections of the first amendment are stronger than in these countries. However, there is undoubtedly a bleedover in that social networks, etc. tend to create policies across national lines.

 

[Terminal_Marxicity]

Our neighbors to the North.

Kevin J. Johnston, Mississauga website operator, charged with hate crimes

 

[Terminal_Marxicity]

Texas Christian U. Student Disciplined After Making Anti-Baltimore Riot, Anti-Islam Tweets - FIRE

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Danish man who filmed himself burning the Quran charged with blasphemy

Did you read this article? He was charged under a Danish law that had been on the books for at least 80 years. Muslims had nothing to do with getting this law as part of the Danish Legal Code.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Texas Christian U. Student Disciplined After Making Anti-Baltimore Riot, Anti-Islam Tweets - FIRE

Sounds like Texans just being stupid.

 

[Terminal_Marxicity]

Did you read this article? He was charged under a Danish law that had been on the books for at least 80 years. Muslims had nothing to do with getting this law as part of the Danish Legal Code.

Fair enough, some of these laws are old, some new. Either way, they are being utilized to creep sharia in through the legal back door.

 

[RDKirk]

I appreciate your response. And i do not disagree with anything you posted. I was responding to the other post, however, because it appeared that Paul went out of his way to "not offend" and open his mouth about Jesus' and the good news of why He came.

Paul returned to His preaching in the very same areas he was warned to leave from and never preach there again.

Nevertheless he returned and preached.

And that is why he was thrown into prison so often.

By "area" you can only mean "city" because he did not return to, for instance, a particular synagogue after he'd been ejected. He never posted any bills on anyone's personal property or stood on anyone's personal doorstep without permisstion.

 

[iluvatar5150]

It is enforced by civil law? Where?

To a degree, yes. They're essentially a form of contract - if both parties agree to the extra layer of religious rules/laws, then they're enforceable so long as they don't violate other laws (which is the same as any other form of contract).

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41824.pdf
Applying God’s Law: Religious Courts and Mediation in the U.S.

 

[brinny]

By "area" you can only mean "city" because he did not return to, for instance, a particular synagogue after he'd been ejected. He never posted any bills on anyone's personal property or stood on anyone's personal doorstep without permisstion.

Since he was under the inspiration and unction of the Holy Spirit, he did not.

Speaking of "permission", that opens a whole new can of worms, does it not, since many who claim to have "rights", "property rights" included, are invading entire countries without "permission".

 

[Belk]

Hate crime is how they will force Sharia on us.

A few months ago, some brave soul put a picture of Jesus of the cross on the fence of mosque property, and the cops are, or at least were, looking for info on the dude in relation to a hate crime, "bias incident". What is a bias incident and when did those laws get passed?

What are you thoughts on this?

How does "hate crime" (Should this not be "hate crime laws"?) allow Sharia to bypass the first amendment?

 

[Maren]

Texas Christian U. Student Disciplined After Making Anti-Baltimore Riot, Anti-Islam Tweets - FIRE

You realize TCU is a private, more or less Christian religious college (they have de-emphasized the religious aspect of the school), and that the actions taken were based on the school's code of conduct and had nothing to do with the law (either federal, Texas, or local laws).

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

Man jailed for leaving bacon sandwich outside mosque found dead in Bristol prison | Daily Mail Online - A crime, but a minor one that never should have put him prison.

Yes. Unfortunately these things happen. Sometimes people are killed for no crime at all:

 

[tall73]

To a degree, yes. They're essentially a form of contract - if both parties agree to the extra layer of religious rules/laws, then they're enforceable so long as they don't violate other laws (which is the same as any other form of contract).

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41824.pdf
Applying God’s Law: Religious Courts and Mediation in the U.S.

If someone enters into a contract that places greater restrictions on themselves that is fine. He was addressing instances where the state enacts civil or criminal penalties generally.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

I think this site would be better off without the sort of ill-founded bigotry you've been propagating.

Blah blah blah creeping Islam yadda yadda yadda backdoor sharia booga boofa booga Islamic terrorism.

Why aren't you afraid!?

I guess I'll never understand why some people live their life in fear of other people, whether it's Muslims or minorities or homosexuals and transgenders. I couldn't live a life like that myself.