Islam, Hate Crimes and Backdoor Sharia

[Terminal_Marxicity]

Hate crime is how they will force Sharia on us.

A few months ago, some brave soul put a picture of Jesus of the cross on the fence of mosque property, and the cops are, or at least were, looking for info on the dude in relation to a hate crime, "bias incident". What is a bias incident and when did those laws get passed?

What are you thoughts on this?

 

[brinny]

Hate crime is how they will force Sharia on us.

A few months ago, some brave soul put a picture of Jesus of the cross on the fence of mosque property, and the cops are, or at least were, looking for info on the dude in relation to a hate crime, "bias incident". What is a bias incident and when did those laws get passed?

youtu.be/W4njQnP6WCU

What are you thoughts on this?

Indeed.

Yet there will be decrying of what you have posted.

'Tis better to keep one's head in the sand, after all.

Cuz..

D'Nile ain't jus' a river in Egypt.

It's a "coping" mechanism all wrapped up in dysfunction, and topped in a pretty bow.

And very deadly.

 

[RDKirk]

Scripture shows that Jesus and Paul were both careful to preach where such discourse was commonly expected and permitted.

 

[tall73]

Scripture shows that Jesus and Paul were both careful to preach where such discourse was commonly expected and permitted.

We can add Peter's advice regarding sharing your faith with gentleness

1Pe 3:13 Now who is there to harm you if you are zealous for what is good?
1Pe 3:14 But even if you should suffer for righteousness' sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled,
1Pe 3:15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
1Pe 3:16 having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.
1Pe 3:17 For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil.

 

[brinny]

Scripture shows that Jesus and Paul were both careful to preach where such discourse was commonly expected and permitted.

Why was Paul in prison so often?

 

[Terminal_Marxicity]

Scripture shows that Jesus and Paul were both careful to preach where such discourse was commonly expected and permitted.

Point being?

 

[Terminal_Marxicity]

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/n...ears-prison-after-mosque-vandalism/924987001/

Florida Man Gets 30 Years for Hate-Arson at Mosque - Right after the Orlando shooting, and the mugshot of the perp shows him to be latino with eyeliner and plucked brows. You do the math.

CAIR Calls for Hate Crime Charges After Man Masturbates into Cellmate’s Quran

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

Florida Man Gets 30 Years for Hate-Arson at Mosque - Right after the Orlando shooting, and the mugshot of the perp shows him to be latino with eyeliner and plucked brows. You do the math.

Sorry, I do not know how to do your imaginary math. Could you explain? Thank you.

 

[tall73]

Hate crime is how they will force Sharia on us.

A few months ago, some brave soul put a picture of Jesus of the cross on the fence of mosque property, and the cops are, or at least were, looking for info on the dude in relation to a hate crime, "bias incident". What is a bias incident and when did those laws get passed?

What are you thoughts on this?

As to general thoughts, I think the issue here was that he took the step of putting material they wouldn't appreciate on their property. Had he not violated their property rights I don't think there would be an issue.

However, there is a danger of speech in general being policed. At first this has started more within large online companies that are regulated by government. So your Facebooks, Youtube (Google/alphabet), Twitter etc. have policed this because they are required to in some countries. The EU has required them to regulate hate speech.

EU gives Facebook, Twitter final warning on hate speech

Here is an article discussing implementation in the UK:



Online hate crime to be tackled by new national police hub

A couple of quotes:

“Left unchallenged, even low-level offending can subsequently fuel the kind of dangerous hostility that has been plastered across our media in recent days," she wrote. "That is why countering it is a priority for the CPS.

A number of people have been jailed in the UK in recent years for posting online hate speech, including student Liam Stacey who was given a two month sentence for racist tweets he sent after footballer Fabrice Muamba suffered a heart attack.


In a Swiss court a parson was fined for defamation for "liking" a Facebook post

Swiss court convicts man for ‘liking’ defamatory Facebook post in landmark ruling


To be clear, I do not in any way think we should use racist language, etc. However, if people were jailed in the US because of speech I think it would raise a big debate under the 1st amendment. The protections on free speech are stronger in the USA due to this amendment.

 

[iluvatar5150]

What are you thoughts on this?

I think this site would be better off without the sort of ill-founded bigotry you've been propagating.

 

[tall73]

Why was Paul in prison so often?

Paul preached the gospel. That offended people. However, that is a bit different than going into a temple and posting material that would offend them.

Paul for instance hurt the silver image trade in Ephesus sparking a riot, but he did not go into the temple of artemis and start vandalizing them.

His message was offensive to them, but his methods were not intended to be offensive.

 

[Terminal_Marxicity]

I think this site would be better off without the sort of ill-founded bigotry you've been propagating.

That's not an argument, and slightly off topic.

 

[JGG]

Blah blah blah creeping Islam yadda yadda yadda backdoor sharia booga boofa booga Islamic terrorism.

Why aren't you afraid!?

 

[brinny]

Paul preached the gospel. That offended people. However, that is a bit different than going into a temple and posting material that would offend them.

Paul for instance hurt the silver image trade in Ephesus sparking a riot, but he did not go into the temple of artemis and start vandalizing them.

His message was offensive to them, but his methods were not intended to be offensive.

I appreciate your response. And i do not disagree with anything you posted. I was responding to the other post, however, because it appeared that Paul went out of his way to "not offend" and open his mouth about Jesus' and the good news of why He came.

Paul returned to His preaching in the very same areas he was warned to leave from and never preach there again.

Nevertheless he returned and preached.

And that is why he was thrown into prison so often.

 

[iluvatar5150]

That's not an argument, and slightly off topic.

Oh, were you looking for a debate?

Because this:

Hate crime is how they will force Sharia on us.

...doesn't sound like an opening to a rational, informed debate. It sounds like bigoted paranoia.

and this:

What is a bias incident and when did those laws get passed?

...is something that could've been answered (at least in part) by a quick google search. When I search for "nyc bias incident", the very first hit is:

Services - Hate Crimes - NYPD

 

[tall73]

Why was Paul in prison so often?

Looking at a specific instance:

Act 16:20 And when they had brought them to the magistrates, they said, "These men are Jews, and they are disturbing our city.
Act 16:21 They advocate customs that are not lawful for us as Romans to accept or practice."

This one could be argued that he violated "property" in the sense that he cast a spirit out of a demon possessed girl who was a slave to people who would use her for money.

We would of course see it as quite proper.

However, the charges they brought were of advocating customs forbidden by them, IE foreign gods.

 

[tall73]

I appreciate your response. And i do not disagree with anything you posted. I was responding to the other post, however, because it appeared that Paul went out of his way to "not offend" and open his mouth about Jesus' and the good news of why He came.

Paul returned to His preaching in the very same areas he was warned to leave from and never preach there again.

Nevertheless he returned and preached.

And that is why he was thrown into prison so often.

Well that tended to get him stoned more than in prison!

 

[tall73]

...doesn't sound like an opening to a rational, informed debate. It sounds like bigoted paranoia.

Or you could read it as laws outlawing speech against religion mirrors aspects of sharia anti-blasphemy laws. The problem is that the examples selected were actual violations of property rather than just speech.

 

[brinny]

Well that tended to get him stoned more than in prison!

i agree.

Yet he continued, till his dying breath.

On a side note, wasn't he stoned at least once, so badly, that he was left for dead?

 

[tall73]

i agree.

Yet he continued, till his dying breath.

On a side note, wasn't he stoned at least once, so badly, that he was left for dead?

Yes,

Act 14:19 But Jews came from Antioch and Iconium, and having persuaded the crowds, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing that he was dead.
Act 14:20 But when the disciples gathered about him, he rose up and entered the city, and on the next day he went on with Barnabas to Derbe.