Islam doesn't condone terror

[IbrahimFahim]

Wrong, Islam does condone terror.

Not at all.

 

[FRM48]

How about Dar al Harb,translated as House of war or Abode of war,also known as Dar al Kufr,it refers to lands not under Islamic rule.It seems that your religion wants to subjegate those who are not Dar al Islam.

 

[IbrahimFahim]

How about Dar al Harb,translated as House of war or Abode of war,also known as Dar al Kufr,it refers to lands not under Islamic rule.It seems that your religion wants to subjegate those who are not Dar al Islam.

The problem is that you really don't know what any of what you have said means. You don't really understand any of it, and you're throwing it out to attack, but doing so with such extreme holes in your knowledge that you might as well be writing in Greek for all of the comprehension that exists in your words.

If you like, you could take my challenge to prove it!!

 

[FRM48]

I don't need to prove myself to anybody,And I do understand it in the context of today's world.I see those who claim to be moderate say nothing when terrorists strike or claim that we brought this on ourselves because of our foreign policy.I know we are hated By many Islamic countries and called the great satan.I know that the statement I made before is based in fact,and is spoken of in secular circles also.I know that palestinian children danced in the street,while others handed out candy after the attacks of 911. I know Israel is under constant threat of attack by countries who are predominately Islamic.I know that many of my Chistian brothers and sisters have been brutally murdered in Islamic countries.I Know that the peace process is a farce.The palestinian authority is following in the footsteps of mohammed.Make false peace until your enemy is at rest and you are strong enough to kill them all.Isn't that how mohammed conquered Mecca.I know that the Islamic Armies will never destroy Israel.

 

[IbrahimFahim]

I don't need to prove myself to anybody,it's interesting to note that you didn't deny what I posted.

There is no need to deny complete rubbish. You know nothing of Islam, so why should anyone listen to your comments at all?

 

[Meepy]

Not at all.

I'm sure not all Muslims do. But some of the things one sees going on in some Muslim majority countries is just terrifying. I remember seeing this one documentary on saddams torture recordings. And then after the Iraq War with all the beheadings, crucifixions, chopping off of hands and feet, mine fields.

idk, having your head sawed off with a small knife while you are alive seems quite horrifying and terrifying.

 

[FRM48]

There is no need to deny complete rubbish. You know nothing of Islam, so why should anyone listen to your comments at all?

The quickest way to deflect criticism, insult and dismiss.As for your holy book, I have no interest in it.As I have told you before Jesus is superior to mohammed in every way.And since the Bible is the authority on the life of Jesus,and states that He was crucified for our sins and rose from the dead the third day,in fulfillment of the scriptures, that's good enough for me.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

Wrong, Islam does condone terror.

Not at all.

I don't believe I have ever seen such blatant denial here on Christian Forums.

Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."

Qur'an:8:57 "If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned."

Qur'an:8:67 "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land."

Qur'an:7:3 "Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them."

Qur'an:33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."

Qur'an:59:2 "It was Allah who drove the [Jewish] People of the Book from their homes and into exile. They refused to believe and imagined that their strongholds would protect them against Allah. But Allah came at them from where they did not suspect, and filled their hearts with terror. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson, O men who have eyes. This is My warning...they shall taste the torment of Fire."

How many hundreds of more verses do you want?

And if that isn't enough, why don't you read about today's Muslim terror attacks? We've now had over 16,800 deadly terrorist attacks since 9/11 carried out by those who profess to be Muslims. During this month alone, there have been 158 Jihad attacks that have killed 762 people and critically injured another 1650.

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[Islam_mulia]

How many hundreds of more verses do you want?
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It is not a matter of 100 or 1000 verses, but the need for you to use one of the verses and explain to Muslims why you think such and such. This is a forum for discussion, not a cut-and-paste board.

 

[alhamdullilah]

I don't believe I have ever seen such blatant denial here on Christian Forums.

Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."

Qur'an:8:57 "If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned."

Qur'an:8:67 "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land."

Qur'an:7:3 "Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them."

Qur'an:33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."

Qur'an:59:2 "It was Allah who drove the [Jewish] People of the Book from their homes and into exile. They refused to believe and imagined that their strongholds would protect them against Allah. But Allah came at them from where they did not suspect, and filled their hearts with terror. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson, O men who have eyes. This is My warning...they shall taste the torment of Fire."

How many hundreds of more verses do you want?

And if that isn't enough, why don't you read about today's Muslim terror attacks? We've now had over 16,800 deadly terrorist attacks since 9/11 carried out by those who profess to be Muslims. During this month alone, there have been 158 Jihad attacks that have killed 762 people and critically injured another 1650.

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http://www.christianforums.com/t7534837/

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Does islam condone terror? Does Christianity venerate Mary?

 

[FRM48]

It is not a matter of 100 or 1000 verses, but the need for you to use one of the verses and explain to Muslims why you think such and such. This is a forum for discussion, not a cut-and-paste board.

I think the point was that your fellow muslims have use these verses to justify terror attacks.

 

[Montalban]

And I will add that not only does the Qur'an itself command:

"Let there be no compulsion in religion!" (2:256),

It's deceptive not to mention that the verse is commonly regarded as abrogated.

If there really was no compulsion in religion (as far as Islam was concerned) they'd not have the death penalty for apostasy.

 

[Montalban]

Does islam condone terror?

Yes

Does Christianity venerate Mary?

No. It's better stated that most Christians venerate Mary

 

[Montalban]

I think the point was that your fellow muslims have use these verses to justify terror attacks.

That's the problem with Islam and any apology about Islamic terror. Islam is full of verses that can support violence. And the fact that Moslems have 'traditionally' done so is another problem - not something that's just emerged in the last decade, or as some would have it, since the creation of Israel, or as others would have it, since Western colonialism

 

[PHenry42]

Bukhari:V5B59N512 "The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive."

Qur'an 2:191 "And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter."
Qur'an 33:60 "Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy - a fierce slaughter - murdered, a horrible murdering."
Bukhari:V4B52N270 "Allah's Messenger said, 'Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.' Maslama got up saying, 'Would you like me to kill him?' The Prophet proclaimed, 'Yes.' Maslama said, 'Then allow me to lie so that I will be able to deceive him.' Muhammad said, 'You may do so.'"

Bukhari:V1B1N6 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country."

We have another list in this thread to go through too ...

Didn't you already consider 2:191 settled? At least that's what I got from posts 29 and 30.

33:60 concerns people who agitate for war against the Islamic community, it simply makes them into legitimate targets for as long as they keep doing that. That was the deal with this guy named Ashraf in the second hadith.

As for the first hadith, I have no idea of its exact context, but looking at it it could be one of a number of events from the early history of Islam. Killing all the adult men of a tribe was a treatment reserved for a few particularly treacherous and dangerous enemies, who had broken earlier peace agreements and exploited earlier mercy they had received. In Muhammed's place and time, there were no professional armies, warfare was tribal and all the adult men took part, so he executed enemy combatants, not civilians.

 

[FRM48]

I'm tired of be called a bigot because of my stance on Islam.There are some on this site who are calling us prejudice and saying our views are based on events going on in the Middle East.Its more than the Middle East for me.The last time I checked,Terrorist attacks were taking place in Western Europe,Eastern Europe,Russia,Asia,Africa,The Middle East,and The USA.

 

[Montalban]

I'm tired of be called a bigot because of my stance on Islam.There are some on this site who are calling us prejudice and saying our views are based on events going on in the Middle East.Its more than the Middle East for me.The last time I checked,Terrorist attacks were taking place in Western Europe,Eastern Europe,Russia,Asia,Africa,The Middle East,and The USA.

In the 1930s Churchill was almost alone in warning of the dangers of Nazism. He read their texts and saw their actions and put 2+2 together and knew that they were a threat to democracy. If we were in those days we'd have countless small 'l' liberals denouncing him over the inter-net for being a bigot.

The worse thing about those defending Islam is we can look back into history for 1,400 years of examples. All they have to do is ignore examples already given.

 

[eb9090]

I don't need to prove myself to anybody,And I do understand it in the context of today's world.I see those who claim to be moderate say nothing when terrorists strike or claim that we brought this on ourselves because of our foreign policy.I know we are hated By many Islamic countries and called the great satan.I know that the statement I made before is based in fact,and is spoken of in secular circles also.I know that palestinian children danced in the street,while others handed out candy after the attacks of 911. I know Israel is under constant threat of attack by countries who are predominately Islamic.I know that many of my Chistian brothers and sisters have been brutally murdered in Islamic countries.I Know that the peace process is a farce.The palestinian authority is following in the footsteps of mohammed.Make false peace until your enemy is at rest and you are strong enough to kill them all.Isn't that how mohammed conquered Mecca.I know that the Islamic Armies will never destroy Israel.

You remind me of myself. I was born a Muslim but have considered Christianity in the past. During the time when I was a Christian I had the same view of Islam as you, my head was filled with anti-Islamic theories by various anti-Islamic websites and people. I was also pro-zionist, didn't care the state of Palestinian people but thought whatever Israel is doing can be justified. I was filled with hatred for Islam. I never open my mind to any explanation for Islam.

When I did open up my mind up, I found out how I fell for these anti-Islamic propoganda and I embraced my old faith back again as soon as Christianity did not made any sense to me.

Let me tell you something, we Muslims are made of flesh and blood just like everyone, we are not bunch of devils on a killing and torturing rampage as most anti-Islamic people portray us. Most of us have much better things to do than hating Christians or non-muslims or finding any Christian converts to murder. Yes there are a few idiot muslim criminals who twist the verses in Quran and Hadith for their own agenda and who should be put to justice for their crime but the way you and most people see us its as if all Muslims have criminal minds like those idiots.

The land of Israel/Palestine has been a land of struggle, the inhabitant there Jews, Christians, Muslims and various other faith have been living there for many generations, their ancestry can go as far as Moses(PBUH) himself. The struggle in that land has nothing to do with religion but political and I think most Palestinians are secular.The majority of Palestinians have greater things to worry about than plan how to destroy Israel like overcoming poverty, getting a job, trying to have a better future for themselves and their generations, Most Jews and Palestinians I would say just want to get over this fight and want to leave peacefully, but unfortunately politics stand in the way of peace. I have a few friends of Israel, all of them served in the IDF and a current IDF soldier said there is no solution but for Palestinians and Israelis to live side by side.

So why don't you really find out what Islam is about and be open minded to it instead of trying very hard to find ways to look Islam bad?

 

[FRM48]

Translation of all you said, I'm just another closed minded bigot.You can't really believe the Israeli/Palestinian dilemma is purely political.If you actually believe that than enlighten me on the reason for the uprisings everytime a Jewish Official was going to visit the temple mount ,or the riots when Jewish archaeologists were digging around the temple mount.For any type of peace settlement to have a chance of succeeding both sides would have to honestly address Political/Religious/and Economic issues.Israel would need security guarantees that go beyond what the P.A. has been able to offer so far.Hamas needs to be eliminated from the process and from Israel.The Palestinian people need to drop Hamas and unite as one people with the P.A as their sole negotiating entity.