Islam doesn't condone terror

[Montalban]

Children do not stay innocent...they are taught by their elders to hate, or else they learn from the press.
War and it's politics should never be waged on the innocent.

Moslems learn it from the Koran.

 

[Montalban]

You can't change the past, only look at the present and the future.

I commend you dealing with moral relativists. Even if the post assumes that people weren't also outraged at the War in Iraq.

It's just a sad diversion from the current discussion

 

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http://frontpagemag.com/2011/03/08/goodbye-good-man-shabaz-bhatti/

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Bhatti had battled tirelessly defending the rights of the minority peoples of Pakistan. He was a voice for the marginalized, such as the 4% of Pakistan’s population that are Christians, who are deprived of education, and whose only jobs are sweeping the dung off the streets, cleaning sewers, living in a brickyard building bricks, or other such work. He was an advocate for Pakistani Christian parents whose daughters have been abducted, raped, and forced to marry their Muslim rapists, and for those children’s Muslim employees have decided it is easier to murder them than to pay them.
But in his battle to reform his country’s blasphemy laws, Bhatti was not only an advocate for all of Pakistan’s non-Muslim ethnic groups, but for Muslim victims of the laws as well. In fact, the blasphemy laws have been used as a weapon against Muslims more frequently than against Christians and other minorities. Their application has been capricious, vindictive, and irrational. They are used as a weapon to settle personal arguments and business and land disputes. The laws, a component of the Shariah, make any perceived insult of Mohammed, the Koran, or Islam itself, a crime punishable by death. The accusation against an enemy is enough. Then the burden of proof is on them to defend themselves, amid the chaos of a half-crazed mob already screaming for their blood.

And for all the misdeeds in Pakistan, Israel and the USA are to blame right? Because Muslims always blame the other... Which is a sign of grotesque immaturity and injustice. (But truth and Islam do not go toghether..., only deception and Islam do..)

Bukhari:V7B67N427 "The Prophet said, 'If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.'"

According to the great example of the Muslims....

The anti-blasphemy law of Pakistan is used to kill off human beings.. Because the burden of proof is on the victims... What a sorry ass excuse for a country.... Talk about ignorant f.cks....

 

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double post

 

[simonpeter]

You can't change the past, only look at the present and the future.

I am talking about moral authority here. If A is a thief, does he have the moral right to point a finger at B?

 

[simonpeter]

Goodbye, Good Man: Shabaz Bhatti | FrontPage Magazine

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And for all the misdeeds in Pakistan, Israel and the USA are to blame right? Because Muslims always blame the other... Which is a sign of grotesque immaturity and injustice. (But truth and Islam do not go toghether..., only deception and Islam do..)

Bukhari:V7B67N427 "The Prophet said, 'If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.'"

What happens in Pakistan or any other country is NOT your concern; it's their country's internal matter. What you should worry about is the growing racism and xenophobia against the immigrants in your country. If we all worried about our backyard first without poking our nose into other people's affairs, the world would be much more peaceful than it is today. Something which both the US and Israel can learn.

 

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What happens in Pakistan or any other country is NOT your concern; it's their country's internal matter. What you should worry about is the growing racism and xenophobia against the immigrants in your country. If we all worried about our backyard first without poking our nose into other people's affairs, the world would be much more peaceful than it is today. Something which both the US and Israel can learn.

You're talking about the Jews in my country, who get harassed and beaten up by Muslims? You're right, that is crimal, thank you for pointing that out.
And besides, we don't kill minorities...

The laws in Pakistan are bestial... The burden of proof is on the victims, so anyone who claims that someone has "insulted" the prophet or islam the indicated man/women is a walking dead man/woman....
Everyone can just kill of whoever he/she wants, without prosecution
The Christians should just move out of that condemned country, but they are (I thought) 12 Million in number, so that will not be an easy task...

But remember, who lives by the sword, shall die by the sword, which is the reason, why there will never be peace in predominant muslim countries (at least when the countries follow after Muhammad), because it is impossible to have peace, where hatred is taught and lived... Because Muhammad lived and taught hatred...
And you can take that to the bank. But off course, Muslims will ignore that fact.... Because the think they know everything better...

Isn't is just great, that Muslims always seem to campaign against standard human rights and incite hatred, thereafter point the finger to the other and finally don't understand why all the evil is happening to them?

Which would almost be laughable, when it wasn't that criminal and wrong... It will most probably, claim a lot of lives in the future.

The Islamists are committed to the destruction of western civilization—their own words and actions tell us so. Do not underestimate their resolve and their unity against us, and do not allow yourself to be intimidated or silenced by false accusations of “Islamophobia” or “hatred” for speaking the truth about the deadly cancer that is Islam.

The 1998 Argus article, also published in the sister San Ramon Valley Herald, paraphrased Ahmad saying: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant," and, "The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

And it seems like there is only one way of accomplishing that: Oppression, harassment and eventually mass murder, as dictated by Muhammad... This is why any calls of Muslims to peace, tollerance and freedom (because at one moment they tell this, the other that, just like the tyrant of Islam itself, because lying for Islam is no sin, quite on the contrary, it is mandatory) is ONE BIG FAT LIE...

Indeed, it is written, that sometimes the devils marvel at the evil of mankind in the world... Islam is one of those examples... It is even so, that maybe in the future, the devil will be out of work, because of the criminal motives of Islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C73ePf_2KVw

(audio a bit out of sync)
One has to give the man in this short movie credit, he is absolutely right.. According to Islamic law, Muslims only love each other and hate everything else... Just like the father of Islam, the devil.

Which can be seen in the Quran and Hadith, as well as in the Islamic republics....

 

[JJWhite]

Moslems learn it from the Koran.

This is what the Qur'an teaches, Montalban.

Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. (60:8)

That verse is very clear, in my opinion, in stating that all the 'violent' verses are regarding THOSE non-Muslims that fight against the Muslims, and only them. As for nice non-Muslims, the Qur'an uses the words 'tabarroohum' (which is translated here (by Saheeh International) as 'being righteous toward them'). Tabarroohum means to deal with birr... do you know what birr is? Do you know what the second highest good deed is after Monotheism in Islam? Birr Al-Waalidayn... to deal with parents with honor, kindness, respect, etc. Birr is the highest level of goodness you can show to a person... and the verse is telling the Muslims not to understand God wrong and think that all that fighting is to be directed to any non-Muslim, rather only to those who fight us or drive us out of our homes. As for the others, Muslims should treat them with birr and justice.

 

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A message out of the old hat (I was just scrolling down on a news-site and this caught my eye), is this the justice the Muslims go on about? Great justice system, in Saudi Arabia.... Who is the judge, the devil himself?

A court in the ultra-conservative kingdom of Saudi Arabia is punishing a female victim of gang rape with 200 lashes and six months in jail, a newspaper reported on Thursday. The 19-year-old woman—whose six armed attackers have been sentenced to jail terms—was initially ordered to undergo 90 lashes for "being in the car of an unrelated male at the time of the rape," the Arab News reported.

But in a new verdict issued after Saudi Arabia's Higher Judicial Council ordered a retrial, the court in the eastern town of Al-Qatif more than doubled the number of lashes to 200. A court source told the English-language Arab News that the judges had decided to punish the woman further for "her attempt to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media."

If this isn't sick and demented, than I don't know what is... But I'm sure, it is all the fault of Israel and the USA...

Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."

And lo and behold, they have more than succeeded... Bravo...

What I would like to know, is why do Muslims actually believe, that it is OK to lie to Non-Mulims?

 

[b&wpac7]

A message out of the old hat (I was just scrolling down on a news-site and this caught my eye), is this the justice the Muslims go on about? Great justice system, in Saudi Arabia.... Who is the judge, the devil himself?

You were scrolling down a news site and found a story from 2007? How far down were you scrolling?

In a NYTimes article, there are several quotes from people that objected to the ruling: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/16/world/africa/16iht-16saudi.8361654.html

When you see these things remember that it wasn't all the long ago when Europe and the US thought it was perfectly ok to own another person. Things take time to reform, and the fact that we were able to pressure them into a pardon for the girl helps. We need to continue to put pressure on justice systems that are unjust everywhere.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

I'll be honest, the fact that Israel could nuke the entire middle east and some people would cheer really is quite frightening.

But the Israelis have nuclear weapons, and could nuke the Middle East, but don't do so- which is a good sign that they aren't fanatics, and respect other religions.

If Iran develops nuclear weapons, my bet is that there would be no end of fanatical Muslims around willing to immediately trot that bomb into the middle of Tel Aviv- even if that meant that Israel would counter-attack and destroy Tehran. The perpetrators, like the 9/11 murders, would believe that such an act would open up a direct pathway to heaven for them, and the innocent bystanders would be dismissed as being martyrs who died for the cause.

So much for Muslims not condoning terror.

 

[b&wpac7]

So much for Muslims not condoning terror.

You've just concocted an entire story to finish with this.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

This is what the Qur'an teaches, Montalban.

Birr is the highest level of goodness you can show to a person... and the verse is telling the Muslims not to understand God wrong and think that all that fighting is to be directed to any non-Muslim, rather only to those who fight us or drive us out of our homes. As for the others, Muslims should treat them with birr and justice.

So if this is true, then why are so many Muslims, including top level religious leaders like the Ayatollah Khomeini, who believe in murder, terrorism, and jihad, not getting the message?

The body count for murderous Islamic terror attacks since 9/11 is now up to 16,915. Not sure if that includes the young Muslim fanatic in Germany who gunned down the four U.S. soldiers last week while shouting "Allah Akbar".

So much for Islam not condoning terror.

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[Servant of Jesus]

You've just concocted an entire story to finish with this.

You don't believe that there are likely millions of Muslims out there who would support dropping a nuclear bomb into Tel Aviv at the first opportunity?

 

[b&wpac7]

You don't believe that there are likely millions of Muslims out there who would support dropping a nuclear bomb into Tel Aviv at the first opportunity?

Sure. What is the percentage of 1 billion Muslims that would like to see this?

 

[Servant of Jesus]

Sure. What is the percentage of 1 billion Muslims that would like to see this?

All it takes is one Islamic country that is hell-bent on acquiring nuclear weapons.

Again, Israel has proven that it has no aggressive or fanatical intent with regard to its nuclear weapons.

Do you trust that Iran can be counted on to have the same intent?

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[b&wpac7]

Do you trust that Iran can be counted on to have the same goal?.

No, but I wouldn't trust Iran if they released a press statement informing me that water was wet.

My problems with Iran are not my problems with Muslims.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

My problems with Iran are not my problems with Muslims.

So how many Muslims are out there condemning Iran for trying to develop nuclear weapons?

Or conversely, how many Muslims are out there encouraging Iran to develop nuclear weapons? 99.999% of Pakistan, or is it just 99.99%?

So much for Islam not condoning terror.

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[b&wpac7]

So how many Muslims are out there condemning Iran for trying to develop nuclear weapons?

How many Christians are condemning Iran for trying to develop nuclear weapons? I mean voicing the condemnation?

Or conversely, how many Muslims are out there encouraging Iran to develop nuclear weapons? 99.999% of Pakistan, or is it just 99.99%?
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Is there a poll you posted about this that I missed?

 

[Supreme]

So how many Muslims are out there condemning Iran for trying to develop nuclear weapons?

Or conversely, how many Muslims are out there encouraging Iran to develop nuclear weapons? 99.999% of Pakistan, or is it just 99.99%?

So much for Islam not condoning terror.

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You must be joking.

In case you're not aware, Pakistan and Iran HATE each other.

Iran getting nukes is exactly what Pakistan DOESN'T want.