Anti-Christ Muslim Islam and the End

mindlight · Jul 5, 2021

Islam denies Jesus "came in the flesh" in its core doctrines. It denies His Deity and his Redemptive sacrifice on the cross. It denies the resurrection of Christ which was unnecessary in its view because Jesus never died in the first place but was rather snatched up to heaven.

No other religion is so deeply anti Christian in its core texts and no other major world religion so deliberately contradicts Christian understandings. Islam has oppressed and persecuted Christians since its inception. The number of Muslims is growing considerably. So my question is this:

1) Could the AntiChrist be a Muslim?
2) What is the role of Islam in the end times?

Many Protestants have associated the AC with the papacy, others pick whichever global leader looks menacing to the church in our age. But Muhammed combined the false prophet and tyrannical leader aspects of the AC. So could the future AntiChrist be a Muslim Caliph with a global Caliphate? If not why not?

Gregory Thompson · Jul 5, 2021

mindlight said:
Islam denies Jesus "came in the flesh" in its core doctrines. It denies His Deity and his Redemptive sacrifice on the cross. It denies the resurrection of Christ which was unnecessary in its view because Jesus never died in the first place but was rather snatched up to heaven.

No other religion is so deeply anti Christian in its core texts and no other major world religion so deliberately contradicts Christian understandings. Islam has oppressed and persecuted Christians since its inception. The number of Muslims is growing considerably. So my question is this:

1) Could the AntiChrist be a Muslim?
2) What is the role of Islam in the end times?

Many Protestants have associated the AC with the papacy, others pick whichever global leader looks menacing to the church in our age. But Muhammed combined the false prophet and tyrannical leader aspects of the AC. So could the future AntiChrist be a Muslim Caliph with a global Caliphate? If not why not?

The antichrists spoken of in the initial texts were the gnostics.

The people who wrote the Quran were monotheists of the gnostic persuasion who made the demiurge their point of worship.

It is unlikely that Islam is the source of the antichrist, since it is too far removed to be an "antithesis."

The odds are that "the antichrist" is the republican Jesus who doesn't help the poor and is obsessed with possessing guns

Douggg · Jul 5, 2021

mindlight said:
1) Could the AntiChrist be a Muslim?
2) What is the role of Islam in the end times?

No to the first question. The Antichrist must be a Jew and his religion Judaism to become the King of Israel messiah for a short time.

Regarding the second question, the role of Islam is as the religious force that motivates the nations associated with Gog/Magog event driving them to want to destroy Israel.

The Gog/Magog event for all practical purposes will be the end of Islam.

Islam will not be a factor in the world after Gog/Magog.

Douggg · Jul 5, 2021

@mindlight since you are from Germany, you are highly aware of the Islamization of Europe problem that is taking place. The concern of traditional Europeans about the trend is understandably so.

The little horn person, imo, will be against the muslim agenda, and when Gog/Magog is on the horizon, he will position his EU army in Greece to act as a deterrent.

Which will be one reason the Jews following Gog/Magog will think the person is the messiah. Because in Judaism, the belief is that the messiah fights the battles of God in defending Israel.

mindlight · Jul 5, 2021

Michael Collum said:
The antichrists spoken of in the initial texts were the gnostics.

They had a Docetic view of Jesus like Cerinthus. That is to say they denied Christ had a full natural human body. That is different from Muslims who claim he was a man, and a prophet rather than the Son of God. But there is a difference here between the kind of false teaching and heresies being addressed in scripture and the later Islamist deceptions.

The people who wrote the Quran were monotheists of the gnostic persuasion who made the demiurge their point of worship.

More Arians with a more diminished notion of who Jesus was than Arius himself.

It is unlikely that Islam is the source of the antichrist, since it is too far removed to be an "antithesis."

Islam attacks the core biblical doctrines of incarnation, trinity and redemption. It is the most deeply antichristian religion of all. It may well be too extreme to be a mainstream global stance or to have much traction within the church would be a better argument.

The odds are that "the antichrist" is the republican Jesus who doesn't help the poor and is obsessed with possessing guns

Republicans are out of power now as were countless other examples of Christians indifferent to the plight of poor people. This sounds like personal bias being read into the texts.

mindlight · Jul 5, 2021

Douggg said:
No to the first question. The Antichrist must be a Jew and his religion Judaism to become the King of Israel messiah for a short time.

Regarding the second question, the role of Islam is as the religious force that motivates the nations associated with Gog/Magog event driving them to want to destroy Israel.

The Gog/Magog event for all practical purposes will be the end of Islam.

Islam will not be a factor in the world after Gog/Magog.

Why is Gog Magog not relating to Russia. I am not yet convinced the AC or the FP have to be Jewish. Early Christians for example though Nero a strong candidate. His name in Hebrew reads numerically as 666. Clearly Nero was no Jew, so the necessity for this seems to be lacking in the early church readings.

Gregory Thompson · Jul 5, 2021

mindlight said:
They had a Docetic view of Jesus like Cerinthus. That is to say they denied Christ had a full natural human body. That is different from Muslims who claim he was a man, and a prophet rather than the Son of God. But there is a difference here between the kind of false teaching and heresies being addressed in scripture and the later Islamist deceptions.

More Arians with a more diminished notion of who Jesus was than Arius himself.

Islam attacks the core biblical doctrines of incarnation, trinity and redemption. It is the most deeply antichristian religion of all. It may well be too extreme to be a mainstream global stance or to have much traction within the church would be a better argument.

Republicans are out of power now as were countless other examples of Christians indifferent to the plight of poor people. This sounds like personal bias being read into the texts.

It could be any party name, but the Jesus preached who does the opposite of the Jesus who is in the bible, is the antichrist. The embodiment of these ideals becomes "the antichrist"

For this reason, I'm not so much into making Islam more than it is, it's antichristian sentiment started as far back as nicea, but it's more of a sideshow religion, not an overlord villian.

Douggg · Jul 5, 2021

mindlight said:
Why is Gog Magog not relating to Russia.

It is relating to Russia. And there are allies which are muslim countries. Persia (Israel), Libya, Ethiopia in Ezekiel 38:5

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

mindlight said:
I am not yet convinced the AC or the FP have to be Jewish. Early Christians for example though Nero a strong candidate. His name in Hebrew reads numerically as 666. Clearly Nero was no Jew, so the necessity for this seems to be lacking in the early church readings.

Those early Christians were going by Revelation, and the persecution they were suffering. And the times they were living in. I agree. But Nero, king 6, was not the beast.

The beast has to be the future king 7, the little horn person, who when he comes must continue the short space, i.e. as the beast for 42 months.

The person who becomes the Antichrist must be a Jew. But in his bloodline, he must also be descended from the Julio-Claudian line of Caesars - which Nero, king 6, was the historic last of line.

Julius Caesar
Tiberius
Augustus Caesar
Caligula
Claudius
Nero

the little horn person (who must continue the short space of 42 months as the beast)

the beast

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Andrewn · Jul 5, 2021

mindlight said:
Why is Gog Magog not relating to Russia. I am not yet convinced the AC or the FP have to be Jewish. Early Christians for example though Nero a strong candidate. His name in Hebrew reads numerically as 666. Clearly Nero was no Jew, so the necessity for this seems to be lacking in the early church readings.

As First John explains, there have been many Antichrists throughout history. Nero was certainly one of them and there are many living now. This 2 minute video explains it:

Ask Dr. Youssef: “What Are Your Views on the End Times?”

As for the end-time Antichrist, he is referred to as Gog ruler of Magog, which is Turkey an Islamic country.

Matt5 · Jul 5, 2021

mindlight said:
Islam denies Jesus "came in the flesh" in its core doctrines. It denies His Deity and his Redemptive sacrifice on the cross. It denies the resurrection of Christ which was unnecessary in its view because Jesus never died in the first place but was rather snatched up to heaven.

No other religion is so deeply anti Christian in its core texts and no other major world religion so deliberately contradicts Christian understandings. Islam has oppressed and persecuted Christians since its inception. The number of Muslims is growing considerably. So my question is this:

1) Could the AntiChrist be a Muslim?
2) What is the role of Islam in the end times?

Many Protestants have associated the AC with the papacy, others pick whichever global leader looks menacing to the church in our age. But Muhammed combined the false prophet and tyrannical leader aspects of the AC. So could the future AntiChrist be a Muslim Caliph with a global Caliphate? If not why not?

Stunning research suggest the [Islamic] Mahdi and the Antichrist may actually be the same - YouTube

The Bible predicts in the last days a charismatic leader will establish a global following in the name of peace. Islamic prophecy also predicts that a man will rise up to lead the nations, pledging to usher in an era of peace. Islam's savior is called the Mahdi. However, the man in the Bible is the Antichrist.Stunning research and analysis suggest the Mahdi and the Antichrist may actually be one and the same.

The (Islamic) Mahdi is the first beast. Jesus (Islamic version) is the second beast. Both are demons in human form. Both promote Islam. Watch the video.

The Islamic Jesus fools the foolish virgins so they join Islam in order to avoid death.

angelsaroundme · Jul 5, 2021

Matt5 said:
Stunning research suggest the [Islamic] Mahdi and the Antichrist may actually be the same - YouTube

The (Islamic) Mahdi is the first beast. Jesus (Islamic version) is the second beast. Both are demons in human form. Both promote Islam. Watch the video.

The Islamic Jesus fools the foolish virgins so they join Islam in order to avoid death.

I had never heard about Djinn/Jinn interacting with humans freely in the apocalypse like he said in the video. This is something I should investigate more since he said they will somehow assist in establishing a Muslim world.

Andrewn · Jul 5, 2021

angelsaroundme said:
I had never heard about Djinn/Jinn interacting with humans freely in the apocalypse like he said in the video. This is something I should investigate more since he said they will somehow assist in establishing a Muslim world.

The video mentions that jinn are demons. But in Jewish and Islamic thought not all jinn are evil, some are good and they worship God. Here is what the Jewish Encyclopedia says about jinn:

"The se'irim ("hairy beings"), to which the Israelites sacrificed in the open fields (Lev. xvii. 7; A. V. "devils"; R. V., incorrectly, "he-goats"), are satyr-like demons, described as dancing in the wilderness (Isa. xiii. 21, xxxiv. 14; compare Maimonides, "Moreh," iii. 46; Vergil's "Eclogues," v. 73, "saltantes satyri"), and are identical with the jinn of the Arabian woods and deserts (see Wellhausen, l.c., and Smith, l.c.). To the same class belongs Azazel, the goat-like demon of the wilderness (Lev. xvi. 10 et seq.), probably the chief of the se'irim, and Lilith (Isa. xxxiv. 14). Possibly "the roes and hinds of the field," by which Shulamit conjures the daughters of Jerusalem to bring her back to her lover (Cant. ii. 7, iii. 5), are faunlike spirits similar to the se'irim, though of a harmless nature. The (Job v. 23. A. V. "stones of the field"), with which the righteous are said to be in league—obviously identical with, if not a corruption of, the (Mishnah Kil. viii. 5), explained in Yer. Kil. 31c as "a fabulous mountain-man drawing nourishment from the ground" (see Jastrow, "Dict.," and Levy, "Neuhebr. Wörterb." s.v. )—seem to be field-demons of the same nature. The wilderness as the home of demons was regarded as the place whence such diseases as leprosy issued, and in cases of leprosy one of the birds set apart to be offered as an expiatory sacrifice was released that it might carry the disease back to the desert (Lev. xiv. 7, 52; compare a similar rite in Sayce, "Hibbert Lectures," 1887, p. 461, and "Zeit. für Assyr." 1902, p. 149)."

Douggg · Jul 5, 2021

Matt5 said:
Stunning research suggest the [Islamic] Mahdi and the Antichrist may actually be the same - YouTube

The (Islamic) Mahdi is the first beast. Jesus (Islamic version) is the second beast. Both are demons in human form. Both promote Islam. Watch the video.

The Islamic Jesus fools the foolish virgins so they join Islam in order to avoid death.

That theory has been around for at least 20 years. One of the problems with it there is no counter part in the bible to be the role of the dajjal (the muslim version of the Antichrist). The dajjal is supposed to have one bulging eye, a hairy back, and kaffur written on his forehead.

The muslim Jesus, Isa, in muslim belief doesn't appear until the climatic battle between the Mahid forces and the dajjal forces - which Jesus, Isa, comes to destroy the dajjal. He is also supposed to destroy all the Christians for saying he is God.

So the false prophet cannot be a match for the muslim Jesus, Isa, because the false prophet is around for 42 months as the beast's religious leader.

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The muslim just did a take off of Christian eschatology, did their own twist, and came up with their own made up version.

keras · Jul 5, 2021

I believe that Islam will be mostly destroyed and discredited after the Lord's Day of vengeance and fiery wrath. Amos 1, Ezekiel 30:1-5, +
None of the other religions, Hindu, Buddhist, etc, have any part to play in the last days.

It will be a secular One world govt, that will be formed after that Day. Only as one powerful man takes over, he will demand worship of himself.
Unlikely he will be Jewish, as they are mostly gone too. Amos 2:4-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Romans 9:27

Douggg · Jul 5, 2021

Matt5 said:
Stunning research suggest the [Islamic] Mahdi and the Antichrist may actually be the same - YouTube

Joel Richardson the presenter of that video is a Jew. It is very difficult for some Jews to think that the Antichrist could be a Jew...although he must be to even become the Antichrist - i.e. King of Israel messiah instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel who came in the name of the Lord.

Instead of focusing on why the Antichrist must be a Jew and the scriptures why, Joel in this video is saying that views that the Antichrist will be Jew is promoting antisemitism - which to me is non-sense.

angelsaroundme · Jul 5, 2021

Andrewn said:
The video mentions that jinn are demons. But in Jewish and Islamic thought not all jinn are evil, some are good and they worship God. Here is what the Jewish Encyclopedia says about jinn:

"The se'irim ("hairy beings"), to which the Israelites sacrificed in the open fields (Lev. xvii. 7; A. V. "devils"; R. V., incorrectly, "he-goats"), are satyr-like demons, described as dancing in the wilderness (Isa. xiii. 21, xxxiv. 14; compare Maimonides, "Moreh," iii. 46; Vergil's "Eclogues," v. 73, "saltantes satyri"), and are identical with the jinn of the Arabian woods and deserts (see Wellhausen, l.c., and Smith, l.c.). To the same class belongs Azazel, the goat-like demon of the wilderness (Lev. xvi. 10 et seq.), probably the chief of the se'irim, and Lilith (Isa. xxxiv. 14). Possibly "the roes and hinds of the field," by which Shulamit conjures the daughters of Jerusalem to bring her back to her lover (Cant. ii. 7, iii. 5), are faunlike spirits similar to the se'irim, though of a harmless nature. The (Job v. 23. A. V. "stones of the field"), with which the righteous are said to be in league—obviously identical with, if not a corruption of, the (Mishnah Kil. viii. 5), explained in Yer. Kil. 31c as "a fabulous mountain-man drawing nourishment from the ground" (see Jastrow, "Dict.," and Levy, "Neuhebr. Wörterb." s.v. )—seem to be field-demons of the same nature. The wilderness as the home of demons was regarded as the place whence such diseases as leprosy issued, and in cases of leprosy one of the birds set apart to be offered as an expiatory sacrifice was released that it might carry the disease back to the desert (Lev. xiv. 7, 52; compare a similar rite in Sayce, "Hibbert Lectures," 1887, p. 461, and "Zeit. für Assyr." 1902, p. 149)."

I had read that the Jinn were compared to Jewish supernatural entities but I hadn't read that particular passage. There seems to be a relation to magic, with the satyrs or Pan, at least associated today with witchcraft, and the Jinn who grant wishes. But as far as I know there is no Jewish doctrine about these beings becoming Jewish while Islam teaches a Jinn can become Muslim.

Marilyn C · Jul 5, 2021

mindlight said:
Islam denies Jesus "came in the flesh" in its core doctrines. It denies His Deity and his Redemptive sacrifice on the cross. It denies the resurrection of Christ which was unnecessary in its view because Jesus never died in the first place but was rather snatched up to heaven.

No other religion is so deeply anti Christian in its core texts and no other major world religion so deliberately contradicts Christian understandings. Islam has oppressed and persecuted Christians since its inception. The number of Muslims is growing considerably. So my question is this:

1) Could the AntiChrist be a Muslim?
2) What is the role of Islam in the end times?

Many Protestants have associated the AC with the papacy, others pick whichever global leader looks menacing to the church in our age. But Muhammed combined the false prophet and tyrannical leader aspects of the AC. So could the future AntiChrist be a Muslim Caliph with a global Caliphate? If not why not?

Hi minglight,

I believe that the anti-Christ is a Muslim. He is called the Assyrian in God`s word. (Isa. 31: 8) And that is in the context of the Lord returning to deliver Israel. (Isa. 31: 4 & 5)

Now we know that the old area of Assyria was comprised of - Iraq, Syria & Jordan. It was all one area until the allies of WW 1 divided it up into 3 groups, by drawing a line in the sand, as it were. Thus much of the tribal fighting today is because of others ruling over them.

When this Assyrian comes on the scene to make a Peace deal after the Russian federation war, then he will bring together those 3 areas - Iraq, Syria & Jordan.

Marilyn.

Jeffwhosoever · Jul 5, 2021

Anyone watch this besides me?
https://www.netflix.com/title/80117557

I think this series was headed towards the main character being the false prophet.

Jordon banned the series, and the Islamic community raised so much consternation that Netflix canned the series.

I was 100% sold on the character being the false messiah until the last show, but the raising people from the dead made me wonder.

Netflix claims it is pure fiction, but if you watch it, you cannot help but see it being based on Scripture to some extent. Not claiming its accurate on a biblical basis, but it sure isn't made up from nothing either.

Andrewn · Jul 5, 2021

Jeffwhosoever said:
Anyone watch this besides me?
https://www.netflix.com/title/80117557

I think this series was headed towards the main character being the false prophet.

Jordon banned the series, and the Islamic community raised so much consternation that Netflix canned the series.

I was 100% sold on the character being the false messiah until the last show, but the raising people from the dead made me wonder.

Netflix claims it is pure fiction, but if you watch it, you cannot help but see it being based on Scripture to some extent. Not claiming its accurate on a biblical basis, but it sure isn't made up from nothing either.

I watched the series. Of course, it's pure fiction. This false Messiah could not heal the 2 sick people who went to him. As far as the last scene is concerned, all passengers died in the plane crash, including the false Messiah. It shows them getting up, but this is for the afterlife.

The tragedy in this very well-executed series is that Christians believed in him and followed him. This is sad, indeed, if Christians follow the future false Messiah.

I recommend watching it.

keras · Jul 5, 2021

Jeffwhosoever said:
Netflix claims it is pure fiction, but if you watch it, you cannot help but see it being based on Scripture to some extent.

There is no mention of Islam in Bible prophecy, or any other of the myriad of false religions that abound today.
The only other religion is in Revelation 17:16-18 and 18:1-8, slated for destruction in the end times.

Then; the Anti-Christ will demand on pain of death; worship of himself.
Not Mahomed or any other false deity.

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