Isis

[Paulie079]

Discuss!

 

[Clone93]

Evil group based off an evil ideology, not much to discuss.

 

[Saucy]

I recently heard the amount of land they control is greater than the mass of Great Britain. Probably not as population dense though. I can see other terrorist groups giving up arms and joining them, making them more dangerous.

All the pictures they're posting of saying "Isis is here" in Chicago and in front of the White House, we just don't know if it's people being stupid or if they really are in America.

 

[Keri]

Evil group based off an evil ideology, not much to discuss.

Same.

Plus, shouldn't this be posted in a political section anyway?

 

[Paulie079]

Same.

Plus, shouldn't this be posted in a political section anyway?

There are lots of threads that could be posted in other sections. If you don't have thoughts to share, you can feel free to avoid this thread. Also, this is not a purely political topic.

 

[Keri]

There are lots of threads that could be posted in other sections. If you don't have thoughts to share, you can feel free to avoid this thread.

Oh, I plan on it, but thanks for the permission Paul.

Everyone in the history of ever knows that political discussions, no matter the content, can get heated. And I just think that's the last thing singles needs is another heated topic.

 

[Paulie079]

I recently heard the amount of land they control is greater than the mass of Great Britain. Probably not as population dense though. I can see other terrorist groups giving up arms and joining them, making them more dangerous.

All the pictures they're posting of saying "Isis is here" in Chicago and in front of the White House, we just don't know if it's people being stupid or if they really are in America.

I think they have taken everyone by surprise as far as how quickly they have taken control of land and the international stir they have created.

It is interesting to consider how an issue like this develops and is treated differently in this social media age too. It really adds to the confusion when you have the potential of people not associated with the group just being mischievous and also the potential for false information to be transmitted so quickly.

 

[Paulie079]

Oh, I plan on it, but thanks for the permission Paul.

Everyone in the history of ever knows that political discussions, no matter the content, can get heated. And I just think that's the last thing singles needs is another heated topic.

I see one open thread on the front page that you could call heated, and none others. And this really isn't a political topic so much as it is a current events/religious topic.

Also, your remarks so far in this thread aren't really contributing to the peace I wouldn't say

 

[Saucy]

Yes exactly. I never heard of them before and suddenly they are on the rise. Even the media just shrugged them off and suddenly they're the largest threat we've ever seen. Apparently they're making about a million dollars per day due to ransoms and the like. They seem to have their game together and making good money.

 

[Barzel]

The problem I have seen since we began our war on terror is that--no matter who you displace--there will always be a conflict for power. We have the same here in the United States, but with thankfully less bloodshed. Iraq and Afghanistan (and Israel and Palestine) are just a different, larger version of street gangs like you see in any major American city. You take one leader out, and someone's going to come in to replace him. If you have a group that comes in and maintains the peace (more or less), as soon as they leave, the struggle will continue.

Unfortunately, we Americans are in a tight spot. If we pull out of Iraq and leave Iraq to deal with ISIS, then we have solved nothing, and must answer the question of what the American lives lost has been for up to this point. If we continue to stay, then we will need to maintain a permanent presence there, at least until Iraq's deeply-entrenched "way of doing things" has changed. If the last few thousand years are any indication, we'll need to be there a while (which I don't think we can afford, financially and otherwise).

I'm all in favor of disposing of dictators, but it seems to me we've had pretty poor leadership the past few years, and that has crippled our ability to do what needs to be done for us to go home. I'm in favor of finishing the job and bringing our soldiers home, but we need the proper leadership in order to do that.

 

[Rhamiel]

Islamic State of Syria and Iraq, or Islamic State of Syria and the Levant, or simply Islamic State

I am just going to call it Islamic State, because its goals are global in nature so to tie it down with location names seems kind of odd

it rose up in an interesting way, Saddam Hussein was a Sunni Muslim and so were many of the people in his government, they are in a minority in Iraq but they were in power.

Saddam was a member of the Bath party, a party that actually has its roots in Nazi Germany, just as the Kataeb party of Lebanon has its roots in the Christian Phalanges party of Spain... but I digress

ok so during the occupation of Iraq we had a policy of "de-bathification" were basically ANYONE with any type of connection to the Bath Party of Saddam could not get a decent job, this left their military without any reliable officers and left a lot of educated, white collar Sunnis who were government workers or military officers without a job.

that's bad...

then we have Obama who never wanted to go into Iraq and was trying to get us out as fast as possible.... that was also bad....

then we have Islamic State show up, they are Sunni
they offer Sunnis a sense of identity, a sense of being able to be part of something!
like for the past 100 years we have had a Middle East that was controlled by Colonial powers and then controlled by dictatorial strong men
neither Western Colonial Powers or Dictators really gave the people a sense of belonging

also speaking of 100 years ago
do you know what happened about 100 years ago?
we won World War I
and when we won that we saw to it that two of the most ancient government systems were done away with
The Austro-Hungarian Empire, the last incarnation of the Holy Roman Empire
and
The Ottoman Empire, the last incarnation of the Muslim Caliphate
say what you want about both of these creaky anachronistic bureaucracies, there were a LOT better then what was to happen in both of those areas (with the Balkans going from Hitler, to Stalin to little ethnic cleansings in Kosovo in the 1990's to relative peace now and the Middle East being... well the Middle East...)

so yeah, they offer the Sunni a sense of being part of the government
they offer the Muslim imagination a return to the Caliphate
and NEVER underestimate the power of the imagination, that is what the American Dream is based on, and that is what made us a super power.

I am not sure how we should deal with this.
they are acting brutal and monstrous, and we have to stop them from terrorist activities....
but we have this idea that "well the only way we win is with regime change"
like, who are we to say that Islamic State should not control a chunk of Iraq?
Iraq is not a state that formed from naturally over the centuries, it was a chunk of the Ottoman Empire that the British wanted to be together in one administrative district so that the oil fields of the north could be politically connected to the sea ports in the south....

 

[SnowyMacie]

edit: nevermind. I don't actually want to be in this discussion.

 

[SnowyMacie]

edit: nevermind, I actually don't want to be in this dicussion.

 

[Keri]

I see one open thread on the front page that you could call heated, and none others. And this really isn't a political topic so much as it is a current events/religious topic.

Also, your remarks so far in this thread aren't really contributing to the peace I wouldn't say

Forgive me for not wanting to give such a horrendous 'organisation' that recruits (very young) children and posts pictures on social media of them with semi-automatic weapons and pictures of 7 year olds holding up severed heads, any attention AT. ALL.

But alas, you've already done it by creating this thread. So now, on top of seeing it in news feeds, I come to Singles forum hoping for some light-hearted threads and discussion and find a thread created for it.

Regardless if it gets heated or not, I still think that perhaps you should have started this thread in a political or religious extremism subforum so people who actually want to discuss this sort of garbage, can.

I'll bow out now though, since I'm not 'contributing'.

 

[Paulie079]

Forgive me for not wanting to give such a horrendous 'organisation' that recruits (very young) children and posts pictures on social media of them with semi-automatic weapons and pictures of 7 year olds holding up severed heads, any attention AT. ALL.

But alas, you've already done it by creating this thread. So now, on top of seeing it in news feeds, I come to Singles forum hoping for some light-hearted threads and discussion and find a thread created for it.

Regardless if it gets heated or not, I still think that perhaps you should have started this thread in a political or religious extremism subforum so people who actually want to discuss this sort of garbage, can.

I'll bow out now though, since I'm not 'contributing'.

I understand the discouragement that can come from considering these things and the need for comic relief and a brief escape, and I'm all for doing that. I need to do that from time to time. But perhaps there are better or more effective ways to go about it (especially better ways than chastising those who bring it up).

For me, Singles is more about the people than the topics of discussion. I never post in the political or religious extremism subforums because very few if any of us ever post there. I'm not really so concerned with what some rando person thinks of a serious topic as I am with what you all here think about it. I know the people here better than I know the people in any other subforum, so I want to hear their thoughts.

 

[Rhamiel]

I for one like a more serious topic for a change

I love the silly stuff too..... but not everything has to be Silly or Relationship Problems

because silly + relationship problems = 98.4% of all threads in CF Singles

 

[Lord Of The Forest]

ISIS shows Islam at its quality, and shows why some people hope the Vicar will call another Crusade.

The atrocities they commit are as inexcusable as they are forgivable. These men are slaves to sin and need our prayers.

 

[Strider1002]

Everyone in the history of ever knows that political discussions, no matter the content, can get heated. And I just think that's the last thing singles needs is another heated topic.

I don't see how it's political. We're talking about terrorism and murder here.

 

[Neve]

I don't see how it's political. We're talking about terrorism and murder here.

It is political though since the radical ideology drives the terrorism and murder.

If you watch the beheading video of James Foley, you will see that it is politically charged - ISIS targets U.S. foreign policy (American intervention in Iraq). I can't post the video even though it doesn't actually show the act itself, but it's on youtube.

 

[Strider1002]

Sooo... if I ever decide to become a serial killer, I should say I'm doing it for political reasons, then some will find it acceptable.