Isaiah

[HappyHope]

I was nudged 3 times to study “Isaiah” in the last 2 days. I thought I was to research the prophet himself. Not so. After I read chapter one, my heart sank. Some tears too. Pretty sure America resembles Isaiah’s accusations towards God’s people.

The focus on “rebellion” cinched it for me. There is a strong spirit of rebellion against biblical/traditional values in America. This is rebellion against the Lord of course. Just wanted to throw this out there. Sobering times. #coastingOnTheFumesOfGodsGrace

 

[Tinker Grey]

You might be happier if you ask a mod to move your thread to a Christians Only sub-forum.

But, just in case: As for me, the faster we move from Christian "values", the better.

 

[Strathos]

You might be happier if you ask a mod to move your thread to a Christians Only sub-forum.

But, just in case: As for me, the faster we move from Christian "values", the better.

Thou shalt not murder is a Christian value, would you like a country where murder was legal?

 

[Tinker Grey]

Thou shalt not murder is a Christian value, would you like a country where murder was legal?

Thou shalt stone gay people is a Christian value, would you like a country where that was legal?

With or without Christianity there would be a type of killing that would be illegal. No Christianity required; "no murder" is not uniquely a Christian value.

There is a saying (I cannot find the source): Where Christianity is right, it is not profound; where it is profound, it is not right.

 

[Jeshu]

Yes Christianity as a religion is due for a big time shaking up. They have traditionally not followed the commandment love God above all and neighbour as self. They have made a lot of people hate them because of their judgemental standards instead of love them for being truly loving people.

 

[Strathos]

Thou shalt stone gay people is a Christian value

No it isn't.

 

[Tinker Grey]

No it isn't.

Yes it is.

 

[Strathos]

Yes it is.

I think you'll find that that kind of thing happens more often in Islamic countries, not Christian ones.

 

[Tinker Grey]

I think you'll find that that kind of thing happens more often in Islamic countries, not Christian ones.

Whataboutism

 

[Speedwell]

No it isn't.

Yes it is, under the present administration, where people who don't object to homosexuals being "out" are not counted as being real Christians.

 

[Arc F1]

You might be happier if you ask a mod to move your thread to a Christians Only sub-forum.

But, just in case: As for me, the faster we move from Christian "values", the better.

Yet you are drawn to us.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Yet you are drawn to us.

Not even a little. And no, enjoying conversation does not equate to being drawn to you.

 

[Arc F1]

Not even a little. And no, enjoying conversation does not equate to being drawn to you.

Come on, you love hanging out with the Christians. Don't be embarrassed, we won't tell on you.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Come on, you love hanging out with the Christians. Don't be embarrassed, we won't tell on you.

Hanging out ain't the same as being drawn.

But, I am married to one.

 

[Arc F1]

Hanging out ain't the same as being drawn.

But, I am married to one.

That would make her the better half. Ok I'm done. Enough fun for one day.

 

[Strathos]

Whataboutism

Show me a modern Christian government that has the death penalty for homosexuality.

Yes it is, under the present administration, where people who don't object to homosexuals being "out" are not counted as being real Christians.

I've been accused of not being a 'real Christian' more times than I can count.

 

[plain jayne]

Thou shalt stone gay people is a Christian value, would you like a country where that was legal?

I won't be able to convince you, but I will answer this in hopes your statement will not confuse others.

Stoning gay people is NOT a Christian value. If we were to actually do that, Christ would not be pleased at all.

For a very brief period of time in man's history, the Jewish people were a people that had to be separate from all other pagan nations and to be holy as God was going to bring Jesus Christ from this nation. They failed epically as all people fail today with sin.

God gave THEM and only THEM a set of laws to make their nation as holy as possible. And stoning people for things like adultery, rape, homosexuality, fornication, murder, and more was part of that. Holiness was in the heart, and the consequences for unholiness was carried out in the flesh. These laws were ONLY for Israelites of a certain time period.

Once Christ came - holiness, circumcision, and ALL of it is ALL in the heart. Yes, people still sin in the flesh - homosexuals sin/heterosexuals sin, mankind STILL in and of itself cannot please God on their own.

Christ paid the way for all. All can be saved.

And a Christian who kills a gay person was never a Christian to begin with.

I have gay friends. They know where I stand. I oppose their lifestyle, but I LOVE them. I fellowship with them and pray like mad for them. All I can really do is be a witness for the God I serve in and out of their presence. The thought of killing them makes me sick to my stomach and is definitely an ungodly thing.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Show me a modern Christian government that has the death penalty for homosexuality.

That's not the point, is it? Your bible says to do it. "Jesus Christ, yesterday, today, forever the same."

Unless you are a Christian that denies the authority of the OT, those are your Christian values.

(Too, I'm unaware of any Christian govts, just govts whose main constituency are Christians. Well, I guess the Vatican counts.)

 

[Tinker Grey]

Stoning gay people is NOT a Christian value. If we were to actually do that, Christ would not be pleased at all.

Really? The Bible commands it. It must please God. Heb. 13:8

And, nothing in the NT overturns those laws: Not one jot nor one tittle.

 

[plain jayne]

Really? The Bible commands it. It must please God. Heb. 13:8

And, nothing in the NT overturns those laws: Not one jot nor one tittle.

Well, there is a lot that says otherwise, but I'll just give this one. [If you want more, I'll give you more.]

Romans 10:4 = "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

Jesus did say that he did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. And he did. He kept the law perfectly. Sinlessly. And he was the final and ultimate sacrifice. The purpose of the law was fulfilled.

Why do you think Christians do not sacrifice animals or WILL wear clothes made of multiple fabrics or WILL have gardens with multiple vegetables or don't wear their facial hair uncut [unless it's their fashion choice] or don't ask a priest/preacher to take care of the mold in their house or ..... well, you get the picture.

Unless the command is reiterated in the New Testament or was in effect before the law of Moses, then it is nullified because of Christ.