Isaiah

[Tinker Grey]

@plain jayne, some Christians agree with you, some don't: Religious Right Activist Calls For Execution Of Homosexuals

One prominent Christian Reconstructionist leader, Gary North, has even made the case that stoning is the biblically preferred means of execution.

 

[plain jayne]

@plain jayne, some Christians agree with you, some don't: Religious Right Activist Calls For Execution Of Homosexuals

OK, he is fruitloop posing as a Christian. I will pray for him.

 

[Strathos]

That's not the point, is it? Your bible says to do it. "Jesus Christ, yesterday, today, forever the same."

Unless you are a Christian that denies the authority of the OT, those are your Christian values.

Please do some research on dispensationalism.

(Too, I'm unaware of any Christian govts, just govts whose main constituency are Christians. Well, I guess the Vatican counts.)

Then look at every country that has the death penalty for homosexuality and see if you notice a pattern.

(Hint: they're all Muslim theocracies).

@plain jayne, some Christians agree with you, some don't: Religious Right Activist Calls For Execution Of Homosexuals

There are always crazies. Do I need to mention every atheist who has ever wanted to kill people?

 

[Tinker Grey]

@Strathos, you'll note that the fruit-loop in the link I provided for plain jayne was trying, and to some degree succeeded, to influence Uganda for harsh imprisonment and even execution of gays in Uganda. Uganda is 84.4% Christian.

Also note: Christians tend to be anti-gay marriage, anti-gay adoption, anti-choice, etc. If someone is against equal rights for women in the US, they are likely to wear the label Christian. If someone is against equal rights for minorities, they are likely to wear the label Christian.

Yeah, yeah, I know ... No True Scotsman and all that.

But face it, these people represent you.

To the degree society is moving to pro-gay rights, pro-women rights, pro-minority rights, to the extent that social pressure is applied to those that are against those things, society is better.

 

[Strathos]

@Strathos, you'll note that the fruit-loop in the link I provided for plain jayne was trying, and to some degree succeeded, to influence Uganda for harsh imprisonment and even execution of gays in Uganda. Uganda is 84.4% Christian.

Did it happen though?

Also note: Christians tend to be anti-gay marriage, anti-gay adoption, anti-choice, etc. If someone is against equal rights for women in the US, they are likely to wear the label Christian. If someone is against equal rights for minorities, they are likely to wear the label Christian.

Yeah, yeah, I know ... No True Scotsman and all that.

But face it, these people represent you.

To the degree society is moving to pro-gay rights, pro-women rights, pro-minority rights, to the extent that social pressure is applied to those that are against those things, society is better.

I'm only "pro-choice" because the alternative wouldn't really reduce the amount of abortions and just increase the overall suffering. In my view the best option is to reduce the need for abortions by eliminating circumstances in which they would be likely to happen. But lots of atheists don't care about preventing abortions at all, as I once asked if the development of an artificial womb technology could solve the abortion issue, and they responded by saying that women should still be allowed to abort their children even if the option exists for them to survive via this technology.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Did it happen though?

LGBT rights in Uganda - Wikipedia

Both male and female homosexual activity is illegal. Non-vaginal intercourse (such as oral sex and anal sex) between heterosexuals is also illegal. Under the Penal Code, "carnal knowledge against the order of nature" between two males carries a potential penalty of life imprisonment. The Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014 was passed on 17 December 2013 with a punishment of life in prison for "aggravated homosexuality".[3] The law brought Uganda into international spotlight, and caused international outrage, with many governments refusing to provide aid to Uganda anymore.[4]

In August 2014, the Uganda Constitutional Court annulled the law. LGBT people continue to face major discrimination in Uganda, actively encouraged by political and religious leaders. Violent and brutal attacks against LGBT people are common, often performed by state officials. Households headed by same-sex couples are not eligible for the same legal protections available to opposite-sex couples. Same-sex marriage has been constitutionally banned since 2005.

 

[Strathos]

I was talking about the death penalty.

 

[Tinker Grey]

I was talking about the death penalty.

No, but that's not the point of this thread, is it?

It's that your fellow believers want bad stuff for the rest us. If those 'values' go away, that's fine with me.

 

[Strathos]

No, but that's not the point of this thread, is it?

It's that your fellow believers want bad stuff for the rest us. If those 'values' go away, that's fine with me.

And you think there is no oppression or human rights violations in atheist countries like China?

 

[Tinker Grey]

And you think there is no oppression or human rights violations in atheist countries like China?

Not the point. The point is that Christian values are not admirable. More whataboutism.

 

[Strathos]

Not the point. The point is that Christian values are not admirable. More whataboutism.

What you claim as a 'Christian value' you can't even find one modern example of being enforced by a national government.

 

[Speedwell]

OK, he is fruitloop posing as a Christian. I will pray for him.

You'll have a lot of praying to do if you intend to pray for Christians like Gary North--it's a long list.

 

[Tinker Grey]

What you claim as a 'Christian value' you can't even find one modern example of being enforced by a national government.

I can find many examples, in just the US, where Christians oppress LGBTQ+. You know this is true. You know how many were/are against gay marriage. You know how many were/are anti-adoption by gays. You remember the cake baker cases. You remember Kim Davis. Go watch videos on "trad wife" on youtube. Watch "Girl Defined". Christian values would reduce women to brood mares.

And you know that just because there is no modern nation that is mostly Christian that doesn't stone gays, that there aren't those that would if they could.

 

[Strathos]

I can find many examples, in just the US, where Christians oppress LGBTQ+. You know this is true. You know how many were/are against gay marriage. You know how many were/are anti-adoption by gays. You remember the cake baker cases. You remember Kim Davis. Go watch videos on "trad wife" on youtube. Watch "Girl Defined". Christian values would reduce women to brood mares.

And you know that just because there is no modern nation that is mostly Christian that doesn't stone gays, that there aren't those that would if they could.

Keep moving those goalposts.