Is your Bible a bad one?

Eilat · Jan 4, 2021

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So, why post a Thread about "bad bibles" in the "Deeper Fellowship", section?

Well, if we have as our Thread's context "deeper fellowship with God", then that comes by having deeper fellowship with God, and God as THE WORD, ....and the word is the divine place regarding deeper fellowship with God.
If you are not a student of the word, and specifically the epistles of Paul, then you will be discovered to be a theological melting pot of heresy.
Thats a fact.

Listen....We already have the deepest personal fellowship God can give us, by birthing us into His very Spirit, as "born again".
But, as we are to "renew our minds", and "walk in the Light", same as Jesus, by right understanding of the Word, then this deeper fellowship with God and Christ can be chopped off at the root simply by using a bad bible version.

So, why are there bad bible versions?

2 reasons, that are really same one..

Many translations that exist as "the next new bible version", are really just the theological slanting of the Greek Text(s) into a "bible" that is really trying to teach you a certain theology, overall, that is strictly related to the Denomination as per the Translator(s).
If we think of Mormonism as someones rewrite of the bible into their version of "The book of mormon", then that is exactly what happens with a lot of "new" bible versions., albeit much more low key and hidden.

Now who loves this?
The Devil.
The Devil causes this to happen, so that bibles dont agree, which causes = confusion..
The Devil is the author of confusion.
For example....lets say its Sunday morning, and lets say you are trying out a new church for the first time.
So, you are sitting there in the pew listening to a sermon being preached, and you notice that the verses the Minister is reciting dont READ like your bible.
Hummmmmmmmm ???????????????
And you noticed that your bible is missing some of the verses that He is using as his sermon's material.
That's odd, huh?

So, now we see how the Devil does it.
He changes verses, and he removes verses, using a Translator who is creating the next "new bible".
That happens in many bibles, as compared to the Greek Text(s) that created them... through a translator who is DECEIVED and is trying to deceive you.
So, you are reading his or their translation, that is altered to fit their Theology, and this deceived mess is a "new bible".

So, thats pretty obvious......how thats accomplished.
And its logical that within the battle that is raging between Satan and God, you are going to find Satan's hand in all the pies.
He is putting out bibles. He is ministering from pulpits. He is building churches. He is causing you to think you can lose your salvation.
He's always busy.
Never does he rest.

Now, is your bible a dud?
Is is a mess?
Is it a phony?
Is it a masterpiece of darkness?

Lets find out....

I'll simply show you 2 verses, and if your Bible has altered them, or removed them, then put that bible where it belongs.
In the Trash, in the Dumpster.

I could show you a 100 verses, but these 2 will do, if you able to discern it.

Let me show you...

Lets pretend that you are not a deep student of the word of God.
Lets say you have not yet read the NT 30-150 times, already.
Lets say you are born again, you are "saved", you received Christ 50 mins ago, and you have never seen a bible, before today.
So, the Church gives you one today, Faux Leather, and they tell you to read the Gospel of John.

Instead you go home, and look at the Table of Contents... and quickly turn to Timothy, because your name is Timothy.
The first verse you read says.....>>"GOD was manifest in the Flesh".
And you think.....WOW.....GOD became a man....Jesus !!!!!!! I love you God, I love you Jesus. !!
Now, you didnt know that about God, till you JUST read it in that bible.
So, you read of the doctrine that teaches " the Deity of Christ."
So, what if the Devil didnt want you to Know that Jesus is God?
(He doesn't).
Then he would rewrite the verse, reader, or remove it, in his bible.
It would say......"he was manifested in the flesh"., if the verse is even there.
And you , the new christian, would think....>"he WHO"?
WHo is the "he"? Is that an angel? Is that Moses? "HE who"???
You would have NO IDEA.....and that is because the DEVIL has taken the word "GOD" out of that verse, and out of that book.
That is 1st Timothy 3:16
Look at your bible?
Is God there, or is "he"?
If "he", then get rid of that book, as its not a bible.

Next....

There are many spirits. But there is only one God.
There are many Types of Spirits, but there is only one HOLY Spirit.
There is just ONE, and He is GOD..
That is GOD, the Holy Spirit.
So, there is also : the UNHOLY Spirit., and that is demonic, that is Satan.

So, you have to have a bible that acknowledges that God is "A" Spirit.
Not just '"Spirit",... as if the bible says..>God is "spirit", then what kind? ???
What kind?
Well, that book does not say, as it has just categorized God's Spirit as the same as any and all others.
So, a real Bible that you should be studying...will read...>"God is A Spirit"....not just "spirit", But "A" Spirit..... and that way you know that He is a SPECIFIC TYPE of Spirit, vs, just any, which could be The UNHOLY Spirit< for example.
See that?
That is really really important to KNOW, = that distinction, and if your bible says..>"God is Spirit", then you dont have a bible, you just have a book, and you need to get yourself a good Bible that teaches that God is "A" Spirit.
That is John 4:24

@happy Studying.

Sketcher · Jan 4, 2021

This objection relies on not having any concept at all of context, and pretending verse 15 doesn't exist in order to make any semblance of sense. And yes, I also use the King James.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Jan 4, 2021

Iow don’t use a JW’s bible. KJV only bugs me at the content of the living creatures around the throne. Every other translation says ‘they’ that assumes they are elder leading angels. KJV stands alone in saying ‘we’ are the elders who will cast the crowns. I wrote a whole thread on that called casting crowns in endtime forums a long time ago. So much evidence it’s mind boggling.
But many parallel bibles are most effective to get a clear picture.

*LILAC · Jan 4, 2021

I've gone from KJV, to NKJV, to ESV, back to NKJV and now settled finally and for good, back on KJV. There are so many mixed messages in all of the different versions that it's no wonder so many folks are so confused.

Fervent · Jan 4, 2021

The translation differences in 1 Tim 3:16 aren't a matter of denominational differences, but manuscript evidence. Manuscripts with theos are all more recent manuscripts dating no earlier than the 8th century, whereas all of the older manuscripts read hos. The context of the passage makes it clear who is intended and to imply malice on the part of translators simply trying to get the reading closest to the autographs is totally inappropriate.

pescador · Jan 4, 2021

Eilat said:
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So, why post a Thread about "bad bibles" in the "Deeper Fellowship", section?

Well, if we have as our Thread's context "deeper fellowship with God", then that comes by having deeper fellowship with God, and God as THE WORD, ....and the word is the divine place regarding deeper fellowship with God.
If you are not a student of the word, and specifically the epistles of Paul, then you will be discovered to be a theological melting pot of heresy.
Thats a fact.

Listen....We already have the deepest personal fellowship God can give us, by birthing us into His very Spirit, as "born again".
But, as we are to "renew our minds", and "walk in the Light", same as Jesus, by right understanding of the Word, then this deeper fellowship with God and Christ can be chopped off at the root simply by using a bad bible version.

So, why are there bad bible versions?

2 reasons, that are really same one..

Many translations that exist as "the next new bible version", are really just the theological slanting of the Greek Text(s) into a "bible" that is really trying to teach you a certain theology, overall, that is strictly related to the Denomination as per the Translator(s).
If we think of Mormonism as someones rewrite of the bible into their version of "The book of mormon", then that is exactly what happens with a lot of "new" bible versions., albeit much more low key and hidden.

Now who loves this?
The Devil.
The Devil causes this to happen, so that bibles dont agree, which causes = confusion..
The Devil is the author of confusion.
For example....lets say its Sunday morning, and lets say you are trying out a new church for the first time.
So, you are sitting there in the pew listening to a sermon being preached, and you notice that the verses the Minister is reciting dont READ like your bible.
Hummmmmmmmm ???????????????
And you noticed that your bible is missing some of the verses that He is using as his sermon's material.
That's odd, huh?

So, now we see how the Devil does it.
He changes verses, and he removes verses, using a Translator who is creating the next "new bible".
That happens in many bibles, as compared to the Greek Text(s) that created them... through a translator who is DECEIVED and is trying to deceive you.
So, you are reading his or their translation, that is altered to fit their Theology, and this deceived mess is a "new bible".

So, thats pretty obvious......how thats accomplished.
And its logical that within the battle that is raging between Satan and God, you are going to find Satan's hand in all the pies.
He is putting out bibles. He is ministering from pulpits. He is building churches. He is causing you to think you can lose your salvation.
He's always busy.
Never does he rest.

Now, is your bible a dud?
Is is a mess?
Is it a phony?
Is it a masterpiece of darkness?

Lets find out....

I'll simply show you 2 verses, and if your Bible has altered them, or removed them, then put that bible where it belongs.
In the Trash, in the Dumpster.

I could show you a 100 verses, but these 2 will do, if you able to discern it.

Let me show you...

Lets pretend that you are not a deep student of the word of God.
Lets say you have not yet read the NT 30-150 times, already.
Lets say you are born again, you are "saved", you received Christ 50 mins ago, and you have never seen a bible, before today.
So, the Church gives you one today, Faux Leather, and they tell you to read the Gospel of John.

Instead you go home, and look at the Table of Contents... and quickly turn to Timothy, because your name is Timothy.
The first verse you read says.....>>"GOD was manifest in the Flesh".
And you think.....WOW.....GOD became a man....Jesus !!!!!!! I love you God, I love you Jesus. !!
Now, you didnt know that about God, till you JUST read it in that bible.
So, you read of the doctrine that teaches " the Deity of Christ."
So, what if the Devil didnt want you to Know that Jesus is God?
(He doesn't).
Then he would rewrite the verse, reader, or remove it, in his bible.
It would say......"he was manifested in the flesh"., if the verse is even there.
And you , the new christian, would think....>"he WHO"?
WHo is the "he"? Is that an angel? Is that Moses? "HE who"???
You would have NO IDEA.....and that is because the DEVIL has taken the word "GOD" out of that verse, and out of that book.
That is 1st Timothy 3:16
Look at your bible?
Is God there, or is "he"?
If "he", then get rid of that book, as its not a bible.

Next....

There are many spirits. But there is only one God.
There are many Types of Spirits, but there is only one HOLY Spirit.
There is just ONE, and He is GOD..
That is GOD, the Holy Spirit.
So, there is also : the UNHOLY Spirit., and that is demonic, that is Satan.

So, you have to have a bible that acknowledges that God is "A" Spirit.
Not just '"Spirit",... as if the bible says..>God is "spirit", then what kind? ???
What kind?
Well, that book does not say, as it has just categorized God's Spirit as the same as any and all others.
So, a real Bible that you should be studying...will read...>"God is A Spirit"....not just "spirit", But "A" Spirit..... and that way you know that He is a SPECIFIC TYPE of Spirit, vs, just any, which could be The UNHOLY Spirit< for example.
See that?
That is really really important to KNOW, = that distinction, and if your bible says..>"God is Spirit", then you dont have a bible, you just have a book, and you need to get yourself a good Bible that teaches that God is "A" Spirit.
That is John 4:24

@happy Studying.

It is obvious that you know nothing about the art/principles/science of Bible translation. It's clear that you don't understand that there is no exact correlation between the earliest and/or best Hebrew, Aramaic, and/or Koine Greek texts and English, whether from the 16th century or the 21st. To use a single word as an example makes this blatantly obvious.

The best Bible for anyone is the version that "speaks" to them with the greatest level of understanding and comprehension. There is no best single translation.

Personally, I prefer the NET, the NIV, and the NRSV (in that order). I also like the 1599 Geneva Bible for both the interesting Englyshe and the marginal notes.

GOD Shines Forth! · Jan 4, 2021

Eilat said:
Then he would rewrite the verse, reader, or remove it, in his bible.
It would say......"he was manifested in the flesh"., if the verse is even there.
And you , the new christian, would think....>"he WHO"?
WHo is the "he"? Is that an angel? Is that Moses? "HE who"???
You would have NO IDEA.....and that is because the DEVIL has taken the word "GOD" out of that verse, and out of that book.
That is 1st Timothy 3:16

No offense, but it never occurred to me the "he" in 1 Tim. 3:16 was anyone other than the Lord Jesus Christ. I memorized this verse in the 80's, from the NIV (original one). The song explains it very clearly:

"Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness:

He was manifested in the flesh,
vindicated by the Spirit,
seen by angels,
proclaimed among the nations,
believed on in the world,
taken up in glory."
(ESV)

How is anyone going to miss Who that is speaking of?

"Bad" Bible versions blatantly acknowledge Christ as God here:

But of the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”

--Hebrews 1:8 (ESV)

Fervent · Jan 4, 2021

GOD Shines Forth! said:
No offense, but it never occurred to me the "he" in 1 Tim. 3:16 was anyone other than the Lord Jesus Christ. I memorized this verse in the 80's, from the NIV (original one). The song explains it very clearly:

"Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness:

He was manifested in the flesh,
vindicated by the Spirit,
seen by angels,
proclaimed among the nations,
believed on in the world,
taken up in glory."
(ESV)

How is anyone going to miss Who that is speaking of?

"Bad" Bible versions blatantly acknowledge Christ as God here:

But of the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”

--Hebrews 1:8 (ESV)

There are also verses where those "bad" Bible versions acknowledge Christ as God that the KJV and others don't, for primarily the same reason for the discrepancy here. For example, Jude 1:5 in a lot of those translations speak of Jesus delivering a people from Egypt, whereas the KJV simply reads the Lord.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Jan 4, 2021

The best thing about the KJV is Strong’s concordance accessibility for word searches. With a few parallel versions for comparison to understand the significance to one’s own walk with the Risen Lord.

Aussie Pete · Jan 4, 2021

Eilat said:
-
So, why post a Thread about "bad bibles" in the "Deeper Fellowship", section?

Well, if we have as our Thread's context "deeper fellowship with God", then that comes by having deeper fellowship with God, and God as THE WORD, ....and the word is the divine place regarding deeper fellowship with God.
If you are not a student of the word, and specifically the epistles of Paul, then you will be discovered to be a theological melting pot of heresy.
Thats a fact.

Listen....We already have the deepest personal fellowship God can give us, by birthing us into His very Spirit, as "born again".
But, as we are to "renew our minds", and "walk in the Light", same as Jesus, by right understanding of the Word, then this deeper fellowship with God and Christ can be chopped off at the root simply by using a bad bible version.

So, why are there bad bible versions?

2 reasons, that are really same one..

Many translations that exist as "the next new bible version", are really just the theological slanting of the Greek Text(s) into a "bible" that is really trying to teach you a certain theology, overall, that is strictly related to the Denomination as per the Translator(s).
If we think of Mormonism as someones rewrite of the bible into their version of "The book of mormon", then that is exactly what happens with a lot of "new" bible versions., albeit much more low key and hidden.

Now who loves this?
The Devil.
The Devil causes this to happen, so that bibles dont agree, which causes = confusion..
The Devil is the author of confusion.
For example....lets say its Sunday morning, and lets say you are trying out a new church for the first time.
So, you are sitting there in the pew listening to a sermon being preached, and you notice that the verses the Minister is reciting dont READ like your bible.
Hummmmmmmmm ???????????????
And you noticed that your bible is missing some of the verses that He is using as his sermon's material.
That's odd, huh?

So, now we see how the Devil does it.
He changes verses, and he removes verses, using a Translator who is creating the next "new bible".
That happens in many bibles, as compared to the Greek Text(s) that created them... through a translator who is DECEIVED and is trying to deceive you.
So, you are reading his or their translation, that is altered to fit their Theology, and this deceived mess is a "new bible".

So, thats pretty obvious......how thats accomplished.
And its logical that within the battle that is raging between Satan and God, you are going to find Satan's hand in all the pies.
He is putting out bibles. He is ministering from pulpits. He is building churches. He is causing you to think you can lose your salvation.
He's always busy.
Never does he rest.

Now, is your bible a dud?
Is is a mess?
Is it a phony?
Is it a masterpiece of darkness?

Lets find out....

I'll simply show you 2 verses, and if your Bible has altered them, or removed them, then put that bible where it belongs.
In the Trash, in the Dumpster.

I could show you a 100 verses, but these 2 will do, if you able to discern it.

Let me show you...

Lets pretend that you are not a deep student of the word of God.
Lets say you have not yet read the NT 30-150 times, already.
Lets say you are born again, you are "saved", you received Christ 50 mins ago, and you have never seen a bible, before today.
So, the Church gives you one today, Faux Leather, and they tell you to read the Gospel of John.

Instead you go home, and look at the Table of Contents... and quickly turn to Timothy, because your name is Timothy.
The first verse you read says.....>>"GOD was manifest in the Flesh".
And you think.....WOW.....GOD became a man....Jesus !!!!!!! I love you God, I love you Jesus. !!
Now, you didnt know that about God, till you JUST read it in that bible.
So, you read of the doctrine that teaches " the Deity of Christ."
So, what if the Devil didnt want you to Know that Jesus is God?
(He doesn't).
Then he would rewrite the verse, reader, or remove it, in his bible.
It would say......"he was manifested in the flesh"., if the verse is even there.
And you , the new christian, would think....>"he WHO"?
WHo is the "he"? Is that an angel? Is that Moses? "HE who"???
You would have NO IDEA.....and that is because the DEVIL has taken the word "GOD" out of that verse, and out of that book.
That is 1st Timothy 3:16
Look at your bible?
Is God there, or is "he"?
If "he", then get rid of that book, as its not a bible.

Next....

There are many spirits. But there is only one God.
There are many Types of Spirits, but there is only one HOLY Spirit.
There is just ONE, and He is GOD..
That is GOD, the Holy Spirit.
So, there is also : the UNHOLY Spirit., and that is demonic, that is Satan.

So, you have to have a bible that acknowledges that God is "A" Spirit.
Not just '"Spirit",... as if the bible says..>God is "spirit", then what kind? ???
What kind?
Well, that book does not say, as it has just categorized God's Spirit as the same as any and all others.
So, a real Bible that you should be studying...will read...>"God is A Spirit"....not just "spirit", But "A" Spirit..... and that way you know that He is a SPECIFIC TYPE of Spirit, vs, just any, which could be The UNHOLY Spirit< for example.
See that?
That is really really important to KNOW, = that distinction, and if your bible says..>"God is Spirit", then you dont have a bible, you just have a book, and you need to get yourself a good Bible that teaches that God is "A" Spirit.
That is John 4:24

@happy Studying.

If you are born again, you have the Holy Spirit to lead you into the Truth. Truth is not a thing, He is a Person, Lord Jesus. No one learns to fly by reading a book. There is no "Flying for Dummies". Flying instructors go up with the trainee to teach them, not park on the radio telling them what to do. You can learn the original Greek and Hebrew, get a doctorate in Divinity and be no more born again than my cat. On the other hand, you may know only the bible verses that an evangelist used to lead you to Christ. Then you are born again and you have everything within you that you will ever have. Why? Because you have Jesus. From then on it is a matter of discovering what God has done for us in the new birth and learning to live in the light of it.
John 5:39
You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about Me, yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.…

Way too many Christians are far more concerned with the written word instead of the Living Word. Don't fall into that trap.

Gregorikos · Jan 4, 2021

Eilat said:
-
So, why post a Thread about "bad bibles" in the "Deeper Fellowship", section?

Well, if we have as our Thread's context "deeper fellowship with God", then that comes by having deeper fellowship with God, and God as THE WORD, ....and the word is the divine place regarding deeper fellowship with God.
If you are not a student of the word, and specifically the epistles of Paul, then you will be discovered to be a theological melting pot of heresy.
Thats a fact.

Listen....We already have the deepest personal fellowship God can give us, by birthing us into His very Spirit, as "born again".
But, as we are to "renew our minds", and "walk in the Light", same as Jesus, by right understanding of the Word, then this deeper fellowship with God and Christ can be chopped off at the root simply by using a bad bible version.

So, why are there bad bible versions?

2 reasons, that are really same one..

Many translations that exist as "the next new bible version", are really just the theological slanting of the Greek Text(s) into a "bible" that is really trying to teach you a certain theology, overall, that is strictly related to the Denomination as per the Translator(s).
If we think of Mormonism as someones rewrite of the bible into their version of "The book of mormon", then that is exactly what happens with a lot of "new" bible versions., albeit much more low key and hidden.

Now who loves this?
The Devil.
The Devil causes this to happen, so that bibles dont agree, which causes = confusion..
The Devil is the author of confusion.
For example....lets say its Sunday morning, and lets say you are trying out a new church for the first time.
So, you are sitting there in the pew listening to a sermon being preached, and you notice that the verses the Minister is reciting dont READ like your bible.
Hummmmmmmmm ???????????????
And you noticed that your bible is missing some of the verses that He is using as his sermon's material.
That's odd, huh?

So, now we see how the Devil does it.
He changes verses, and he removes verses, using a Translator who is creating the next "new bible".
That happens in many bibles, as compared to the Greek Text(s) that created them... through a translator who is DECEIVED and is trying to deceive you.
So, you are reading his or their translation, that is altered to fit their Theology, and this deceived mess is a "new bible".

So, thats pretty obvious......how thats accomplished.
And its logical that within the battle that is raging between Satan and God, you are going to find Satan's hand in all the pies.
He is putting out bibles. He is ministering from pulpits. He is building churches. He is causing you to think you can lose your salvation.
He's always busy.
Never does he rest.

Now, is your bible a dud?
Is is a mess?
Is it a phony?
Is it a masterpiece of darkness?

Lets find out....

I'll simply show you 2 verses, and if your Bible has altered them, or removed them, then put that bible where it belongs.
In the Trash, in the Dumpster.

I could show you a 100 verses, but these 2 will do, if you able to discern it.

Let me show you...

Lets pretend that you are not a deep student of the word of God.
Lets say you have not yet read the NT 30-150 times, already.
Lets say you are born again, you are "saved", you received Christ 50 mins ago, and you have never seen a bible, before today.
So, the Church gives you one today, Faux Leather, and they tell you to read the Gospel of John.

Instead you go home, and look at the Table of Contents... and quickly turn to Timothy, because your name is Timothy.
The first verse you read says.....>>"GOD was manifest in the Flesh".
And you think.....WOW.....GOD became a man....Jesus !!!!!!! I love you God, I love you Jesus. !!
Now, you didnt know that about God, till you JUST read it in that bible.
So, you read of the doctrine that teaches " the Deity of Christ."
So, what if the Devil didnt want you to Know that Jesus is God?
(He doesn't).
Then he would rewrite the verse, reader, or remove it, in his bible.
It would say......"he was manifested in the flesh"., if the verse is even there.
And you , the new christian, would think....>"he WHO"?
WHo is the "he"? Is that an angel? Is that Moses? "HE who"???
You would have NO IDEA.....and that is because the DEVIL has taken the word "GOD" out of that verse, and out of that book.
That is 1st Timothy 3:16
Look at your bible?
Is God there, or is "he"?
If "he", then get rid of that book, as its not a bible.

Next....

There are many spirits. But there is only one God.
There are many Types of Spirits, but there is only one HOLY Spirit.
There is just ONE, and He is GOD..
That is GOD, the Holy Spirit.
So, there is also : the UNHOLY Spirit., and that is demonic, that is Satan.

So, you have to have a bible that acknowledges that God is "A" Spirit.
Not just '"Spirit",... as if the bible says..>God is "spirit", then what kind? ???
What kind?
Well, that book does not say, as it has just categorized God's Spirit as the same as any and all others.
So, a real Bible that you should be studying...will read...>"God is A Spirit"....not just "spirit", But "A" Spirit..... and that way you know that He is a SPECIFIC TYPE of Spirit, vs, just any, which could be The UNHOLY Spirit< for example.
See that?
That is really really important to KNOW, = that distinction, and if your bible says..>"God is Spirit", then you dont have a bible, you just have a book, and you need to get yourself a good Bible that teaches that God is "A" Spirit.
That is John 4:24

@happy Studying.

KJVO drivel. 1 Timothy 3:16 is the difference between ΟΣ and ΘΣ. The original had the relative pronoun, ΟΣ. Some well meaning scribe put a line through it and changed it to God.

1 John 5:7 is in only about 3 manuscripts, total. None of them before the 14th century.

If you cared one bit about the devil changing the Bible, you'd abandon the KJV over these two verses.

Petros2015 · Jan 4, 2021

I always thought this one was amusing.

Wicked Bible - Wikipedia

All Becomes New · Jan 5, 2021

I use ESVS (ESV with strongs). This eliminates the need for KJV as I have access to several lexicons in both the Greek and Hebrew texts.

Eilat · Jan 5, 2021

pescador said:
It is obvious that you know nothing about the art/principles/science of Bible translation.

You keep trying to "sound smart" and "deep".
What you should do, is try to be always honest.
And, its a fact that the devil is real, and its a reality that he causes bad bible versions to corrupt correct theology.
Believe it.

Eilat · Jan 5, 2021

GOD Shines Forth! said:
No offense, but it never occurred to me the "he" in 1 Tim. 3:16 was anyone other than the Lord Jesus Christ. (ESV)

Well, i realized that when people would read my 2 verses, there would always be the readers who would not realize that when you read "HE", in a bad bible version, AFTER you have been taught that Jesus is the HE, .....then this person is going to come to my Thread and pretend they always knew that "he" was Jesus.
But in fact, before you were taught this, you had no idea that Jesus was God.
And so, had you read that verse before you were taught that Jesus is God, then you would have had no prior understanding that would inform you..
As i wrote in the Thread.

Eilat · Jan 5, 2021

Aussie Pete said:
If you are born again, you have the Holy Spirit to lead you into the Truth..

That sounds very spiritual, but i will place a bet that you sin and confess.
So, if you are doing this, then why hasn't the "holy Spirit" led you OUT of that spiritual deception?
Answer:, because you have replaced Truth with self righteousness.

And so, the devil builds his theology on lies, confusion, and the self righteousness he uses that is typically found in a believer that leads them.

Eilat · Jan 5, 2021

Gregorikos said:
KJVO drivel.

Its not "drivel" to take God out of the Bible, and its not "drivel" to not draw the distinction between the unholy spirit and the Holy Spirit.
That you find this to be "drivel" speaks loudly of your type of Faith and speaks volumes regarding your particular Theological understanding.

Eilat · Jan 5, 2021

True Counterphobia said:
I use ESVS (ESV with strongs). This eliminates the need for KJV as I have access to several lexicons in both the Greek and Hebrew texts.

So what does that prove?
For example im trained in Manuscript Evidence.
Yet, if i am not able to discern truth, then all i have is a headful of knowledge and a nice Resume`.
See it?
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What matters is understanding what is going on,.....
So, that is why i wrote the Thread, as this gives Satan's devices the exposure they deserve.
Now, many are not going to believe that the Devil could possibly be in the game of trying to corrupt God's Word......and so, they will remain deceived, which makes the devil smile.

Eilat · Jan 5, 2021

Petros2015 said:
I always thought this one was amusing.

Wicked Bible - Wikipedia

And what did you think of the Queen James version?
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brinny · Jan 5, 2021

Eilat said:
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So, why post a Thread about "bad bibles" in the "Deeper Fellowship", section?

Well, if we have as our Thread's context "deeper fellowship with God", then that comes by having deeper fellowship with God, and God as THE WORD, ....and the word is the divine place regarding deeper fellowship with God.
If you are not a student of the word, and specifically the epistles of Paul, then you will be discovered to be a theological melting pot of heresy.
Thats a fact.

Listen....We already have the deepest personal fellowship God can give us, by birthing us into His very Spirit, as "born again".
But, as we are to "renew our minds", and "walk in the Light", same as Jesus, by right understanding of the Word, then this deeper fellowship with God and Christ can be chopped off at the root simply by using a bad bible version.

So, why are there bad bible versions?

2 reasons, that are really same one..

Many translations that exist as "the next new bible version", are really just the theological slanting of the Greek Text(s) into a "bible" that is really trying to teach you a certain theology, overall, that is strictly related to the Denomination as per the Translator(s).
If we think of Mormonism as someones rewrite of the bible into their version of "The book of mormon", then that is exactly what happens with a lot of "new" bible versions., albeit much more low key and hidden.

Now who loves this?
The Devil.
The Devil causes this to happen, so that bibles dont agree, which causes = confusion..
The Devil is the author of confusion.
For example....lets say its Sunday morning, and lets say you are trying out a new church for the first time.
So, you are sitting there in the pew listening to a sermon being preached, and you notice that the verses the Minister is reciting dont READ like your bible.
Hummmmmmmmm ???????????????
And you noticed that your bible is missing some of the verses that He is using as his sermon's material.
That's odd, huh?

So, now we see how the Devil does it.
He changes verses, and he removes verses, using a Translator who is creating the next "new bible".
That happens in many bibles, as compared to the Greek Text(s) that created them... through a translator who is DECEIVED and is trying to deceive you.
So, you are reading his or their translation, that is altered to fit their Theology, and this deceived mess is a "new bible".

So, thats pretty obvious......how thats accomplished.
And its logical that within the battle that is raging between Satan and God, you are going to find Satan's hand in all the pies.
He is putting out bibles. He is ministering from pulpits. He is building churches. He is causing you to think you can lose your salvation.
He's always busy.
Never does he rest.

Now, is your bible a dud?
Is is a mess?
Is it a phony?
Is it a masterpiece of darkness?

Lets find out....

I'll simply show you 2 verses, and if your Bible has altered them, or removed them, then put that bible where it belongs.
In the Trash, in the Dumpster.

I could show you a 100 verses, but these 2 will do, if you able to discern it.

Let me show you...

Lets pretend that you are not a deep student of the word of God.
Lets say you have not yet read the NT 30-150 times, already.
Lets say you are born again, you are "saved", you received Christ 50 mins ago, and you have never seen a bible, before today.
So, the Church gives you one today, Faux Leather, and they tell you to read the Gospel of John.

Instead you go home, and look at the Table of Contents... and quickly turn to Timothy, because your name is Timothy.
The first verse you read says.....>>"GOD was manifest in the Flesh".
And you think.....WOW.....GOD became a man....Jesus !!!!!!! I love you God, I love you Jesus. !!
Now, you didnt know that about God, till you JUST read it in that bible.
So, you read of the doctrine that teaches " the Deity of Christ."
So, what if the Devil didnt want you to Know that Jesus is God?
(He doesn't).
Then he would rewrite the verse, reader, or remove it, in his bible.
It would say......"he was manifested in the flesh"., if the verse is even there.
And you , the new christian, would think....>"he WHO"?
WHo is the "he"? Is that an angel? Is that Moses? "HE who"???
You would have NO IDEA.....and that is because the DEVIL has taken the word "GOD" out of that verse, and out of that book.
That is 1st Timothy 3:16
Look at your bible?
Is God there, or is "he"?
If "he", then get rid of that book, as its not a bible.

Next....

There are many spirits. But there is only one God.
There are many Types of Spirits, but there is only one HOLY Spirit.
There is just ONE, and He is GOD..
That is GOD, the Holy Spirit.
So, there is also : the UNHOLY Spirit., and that is demonic, that is Satan.

So, you have to have a bible that acknowledges that God is "A" Spirit.
Not just '"Spirit",... as if the bible says..>God is "spirit", then what kind? ???
What kind?
Well, that book does not say, as it has just categorized God's Spirit as the same as any and all others.
So, a real Bible that you should be studying...will read...>"God is A Spirit"....not just "spirit", But "A" Spirit..... and that way you know that He is a SPECIFIC TYPE of Spirit, vs, just any, which could be The UNHOLY Spirit< for example.
See that?
That is really really important to KNOW, = that distinction, and if your bible says..>"God is Spirit", then you dont have a bible, you just have a book, and you need to get yourself a good Bible that teaches that God is "A" Spirit.
That is John 4:24

@happy Studying.

Thank you. Welcome to CF. God bless you as you continue to delve with that "spiritual shovel" into His Word, with His wisdom, discernment, annd clarity that He grants to all who ask for it. Jeremiah 33:3 comes to mind....He really DOES, through His Holy Spirit, show/teach us new things we did not know previously. Proverbs 2 comes to mind as well, regarding "digging" into His Word, and finding "treasure" there.

Similar to an above post, i currently read the KJB.....cuz i don't want to "miss a thing" hahahaa

Thank you again for this edifying post. It blessed me.

A very BLESSED new year to you.

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