Is YAHWEH andALLAH the same person?

SAAN said:

I hear many people say when Muslims refer to ALLAH they are worshiping the same God Christians worship YAHWEH and others say Islam is worships ALLAH as a moon God and is NOT the same God Christians worship.

So is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob YHWH/YAH/YAHWEH... etc, the same God ALLAH that Islam claims to worship??

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No.
In Islam allah begat no son. Therefore the muslim god cannot be the same as that of Christians.

OrthodoxyUSA said:

The Arabian word "Allah" means "God" and is used by Arabic Christians in worship.

It's not a name.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

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The word Allah is also closely related, and probably derived from, the Syriac Alaha/Aloho, which in turn is related to the Hebrew El.
So it does mean "God" in an unambiguous sense. Unless one subscribes to the gross error of believing Adonai and El to have been different.

FredVB said:

Having seen this sort of suggestion more than once, I have to say there is serious dismissal of what God says in the scriptures, especially I think Exodus 3:15.



Those thinking that Islam does not recognize the true God is because of reference to Allah have a mistaken understanding of what basis there is for it. The term for Allah is meaning the God. Arabic speaking Christians use the term for God as well. But Yahweh, revealed to us with scriptures which are our Bible, shows characteristics that are contrary to the claim of Muslims for Allah. And there are believers in Christ who are Jewish, so the contrast would in fact be with the unbelievers within Judaism.

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Hi Fred,

Unfortunately, it isn't the word God or Allah or Buddha that convicts me that those who worship and follow these various gods are serving a different god. It doesn't matter what language it is spoken in or in what tongue. It doesn't matter what part of the world they come from and that it's likely their culture that causes them to see and worship these various gods in different ways, but we should understand that they are all speaking about the same God.

The issue is what they teach. The teaching of Islam is that Jesus was likely a prophet of their god, but Muhammad is greater. Sorry, that's not going to fly with me. And no, the one they are calling Muhammad is not the same person that we call Jesus. Ask any muslim about their Muhammad and they will recount for you his historical life in about 600AD.

Ask any follower of Buddha and they may likely tell you that they understand that the man Jesus was a good person, but not any sort of Messiah or Son of God. The Scriptures are, for me, quite clear on this matter. There is no other name by which men may be saved than the name of Jesus. So, for me, it's not a matter of whether some other religious practices want to call the deity that they believe in by some other name that makes them separated from the one true and living God. It's about what they teach. Therefore, if they don't teach the truth, then they likely don't know the truth. If they don't know the truth, then they cannot be saved by the truth.

There are many who espouse this philosophy that you speak of, however, I'm convicted that it isn't at all about 'what name we call the same god', but rather what we teach about that same god. When Muslims begin to teach that the man Jesus, who was a Jew living in Israel some 2,000 years ago, is the Son of God and the Savior of the world, then I might pause to entertain such a philosophy. Some will say to this, 'well, that's because you live in America and that's what is taught there'. Well, the truth is that the truth of God comes to America from the people of the middle east. We've just adopted what came straight from their corner of the world as the truth, whereas, they haven't. They've decided that even though this truth that American Christians believe comes right out of the heart of where they live, they're going to move on and create for themselves other gods.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:

No.
In Islam allah begat no son. Therefore the muslim god cannot be the same as that of Christians.

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This is quite correct, the Islamic deity is basically the devil.

That said, Allah is a generic word meaning "God."

Wgw said:

This is quite correct, the Islamic deity is basically the devil.

That said, Allah is a generic word meaning "God."

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The Arabic word for God is ilah. "Al" is Arabic for "the" =Al(i)lah = The god. That is not the Islamic moon god's name. He has 99 names according to the Qur'an and Hadith.

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:

The Arabic word for God is ilah. "Al" is Arabic for "the" =Al(i)lah = The god. That is not the Islamic moon god's name. He has 99 names according to the Qur'an and Hadith.

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Well, it is not precisely clear that Islam worships a former moon god; this point reauires I think further analysis. It does not have any bearing though on the accurate idea that the false deity worshipped by Muslims os radically different from the Christian God.

What is puzzling to me is why anyone would think they're the same. Yahweh doesn't lie (Num 23:19) so He's not going to tell one group love everybody (Mark 12:30-31) while telling another group the opposite.

Just to be friendly briefly, I would say you probably shouldn't even attempt to put that in the same sentence, unless you are prepared to suffer, be in constant pain or some sort of agony (which if you think about it, still relates or simply relates to the last three woes of Revelation).

Great thread!.
I also started a thread like that over on the Christianity and World Religions board, where Muslims could also interact.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/are-allah-god-yhwh-the-same.5170545/
Are ALLAH GOD YHWH the same?

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
This was taken from another thread on the Christian theology board and I would like to hear Muslim responses to it. Thanks and Peace.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5135258&page=15
Allah


I've read MANY threads on this forum where people refer to Allah as the God of the Muslim's as if this is a proper name of some "false god" and that is just not true, so I would really like to set the record straight and educate those who are unaware of the fact that "Allah" is the ARABIC WORD ~for~ GOD.

Just as "Dios" is the SPANISH word for GOD.

And "Dieu" is the FRENCH word for GOD.

"Allah" is the ARABIC word for GOD.

It is not the "proper name" of a particular Islamic God connected only to Muslims. Even Arabic CHRISTIANS use the word "Allah" to refer to GOD. The Aramaic BIBLE uses the word "Allah" for GOD, as it is the Arabic word ~for~ God.

I would just like to ask that we please keep that in mind when making statements about Muslims and "false gods" so that we don't insult our Arabic brothers and sisters in CHRIST because of our lack of knowledge on this subject.

Many thanks!!

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anatolian said: ↑
for the question,I dont know what YHWH means exactly but Allah refers to the God of Abraham who is the only God

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miamited said:

Hi Fred,
Unfortunately, it isn't the word God or Allah or Buddha that convicts me that those who worship and follow these various gods are serving a different god. It doesn't matter what language it is spoken in or in what tongue. It doesn't matter what part of the world they come from and that it's likely their culture that causes them to see and worship these various gods in different ways, but we should understand that they are all speaking about the same God.

The issue is what they teach. The teaching of Islam is that Jesus was likely a prophet of their god, but Muhammad is greater. Sorry, that's not going to fly with me. And no, the one they are calling Muhammad is not the same person that we call Jesus. Ask any muslim about their Muhammad and they will recount for you his historical life in about 600AD.

Ask any follower of Buddha and they may likely tell you that they understand that the man Jesus was a good person, but not any sort of Messiah or Son of God. The Scriptures are, for me, quite clear on this matter. There is no other name by which men may be saved than the name of Jesus. So, for me, it's not a matter of whether some other religious practices want to call the deity that they believe in by some other name that makes them separated from the one true and living God. It's about what they teach. Therefore, if they don't teach the truth, then they likely don't know the truth. If they don't know the truth, then they cannot be saved by the truth.

There are many who espouse this philosophy that you speak of, however, I'm convicted that it isn't at all about 'what name we call the same god', but rather what we teach about that same god. When Muslims begin to teach that the man Jesus, who was a Jew living in Israel some 2,000 years ago, is the Son of God and the Savior of the world, then I might pause to entertain such a philosophy. Some will say to this, 'well, that's because you live in America and that's what is taught there'. Well, the truth is that the truth of God comes to America from the people of the middle east. We've just adopted what came straight from their corner of the world as the truth, whereas, they haven't. They've decided that even though this truth that American Christians believe comes right out of the heart of where they live, they're going to move on and create for themselves other gods.

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I don't disagree, the name used for God is not the adequate basis for saying there is another God being understood. Buddha was not understood to be God though by any, that I heard about.

It is not so much whether God had or could have a son. The old testament, which doesn't show clearly that God has the one begotten Son, even prophetically, shows the same God. It is Yahweh, with the same character, showing the same promises with some important ones fulfilled. It conflicts with the Muslim depiction of Allah, and ideas of God in other religions and beliefs.

Hi Fred,

Yes, and because of that conflict, they cannot be speaking of, worshiping, teaching about, the same God. We can look as far back as the days of the patriarchs and even back to Noah's day and find references to people worshiping gods that were not the God who introduces and reveals Himself to us in the Scriptures carried forward to us through the line of Judaism. I find in that the basic nature of man to think to imagine deities that somehow control the lives of man or nature. In the very early genealogy of Adam, the days of Enosh, we find that God, through His Spirit, had written for us that it was in those days that men began to 'call on the name of the Lord'. I believe men have been making up their own gods since those days. They would call but God wouldn't always answer them and so they began to make gods to fit their personal choices and desires for a god.

The nature of man is still today the same as it has always been in this desire to make for themselves gods to which they ascribe certain attributes and natures. We are told that when Jacob fled from Laban that his daughter (Laban's) took with her the gods of her father. We know historically and through the Scriptures that the people of Egypt had a number of gods to which they ascribed certain functions, responsibilities and natures. We know as the Israelites journeyed to the promised land that they often came upon nations and cities that worshiped various and sundry gods. We even know that within Israel itself that they worshiped other gods. The entire account of the conflict between Ahab, Jezebel and Elijah recounts for us a time when the leadership of Israel was bowing down to and worshiping other gods. There was an entire group of priests that represented the gods of Jezebel.

The nature of man is still today the same as it has always been in this desire to make for themselves gods to which they ascribe certain attributes and natures. These gods of the Muslim faith and the Buddhist faith and the Hindu faith and the various and sundry other faiths are just that continuing nature of man. The Scriptures declare that man's heart is wicked and I faithfully believe that it has always been thus and shall always be this side of the judgment day of God. I absolutely include my own heart among them. My heart is wicked! It just is.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

simonthezealot said:

Here's your answer for Jesus mouth...

39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

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Indeed, sir.

From the mouth of Jesus the Christ the only begotten Son of the living God, the God of the living, Himself.

Amen.

SAAN said:

I hear many people say when Muslims refer to ALLAH they are worshiping the same God Christians worship YAHWEH and others say Islam is worships ALLAH as a moon God and is NOT the same God Christians worship.

So is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob YHWH/YAH/YAHWEH... etc, the same God ALLAH that Islam claims to worship??

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No. Allah is a pagan moon god. Allah is simply the Arabic word for deity not the actual name of the Muslim's idol of worship that is a meteorite stone that resides in a box in the Kaaba in Mecca.
Whereas Yahweh is a spirit and the one true and only creator of all that exists.

Keep in mind also that the Koran teaches that the Muslims idol has no sons. There is no , 'son of allah' . Isa, which is the name they use to describe Jesus is not the son of allah in the Koran. He is described in the Koran as allah's slave. He was someone who was just another teacher, not the son of God as Christians know him to be and as we call him Jesus and Messiah.

Also, Muhammad was an illiterate merchant. He did not author the Koran. Rather, it was supposedly dictated by him to literate Arabs prior to his death and was published after his death. Meanwhile, the teachings were an oral tradition passed along.
Muhammad was a murderer, a thief, and a pedophile. One of his wives was but 6 years old when he took her as wife. She was 9 years old when he consummated the relation. He first took his contrivance that is now known as Islam, which translates to "submission" not peace, because it was created during war time and has never been about peace, to the Jews so as to appear to them as a new prophet. He was rejected. His rage at that caused him to alter his so called teachings and speak against the Jews. But meanwhile what he did do to fabricate his falsehood was draw from both the Jewish and the Christian traditions and fabricate his own religion.
If you read the Koran, which is said to be best understood in Arabic, you'll find similarities between both faiths; Christianity and Judaism.

The moon god, some call it demon, of Islam is not Yahweh. Never has been and never can be.

miamited said:

Hi Fred,

The entire account of the conflict between Ahab, Jezebel and Elijah recounts for us a time when the leadership of Israel was bowing down to and worshiping other gods.

There was an entire group of priests that represented the gods of Jezebel.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

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brinny said:

Indeed, sir.

From the mouth of Jesus the Christ the only begotten Son of the living God, the God of the living, Himself.

Amen.

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Jezebel is also mentioned in the Jewish/Christian book of Revelation concerning the 4th Church, Thyatira.
This is also the Church where Jesus actually proclaims Himself as SON OF GOD

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/Revelation/rev46.htm

The church in Thyatira has a longer message delivered to it from Jesus Christ than any of the seven churches, although it is interesting to note that the church there is the smallest of the seven, and the city of Thyatira is the smallest of the seven cities..............


“These things saith the Son of Yahweh, who hath His eyes like unto a flame of fire, and His feet are like fine brass;
I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols” (Rev. 2:18-20).

There is one name in the Bible that no parents would think to give to their daughter, and that name is Jezebel. The name Jezebel sweeps across the pages of the Bible. The typical Jezebel of the Old Testament was the daughter of Ethbaal, king of Tyre and Sidon. The name Ethbaal means “with Baal.” Prior to becoming king, Ethbaal was a priest to the goddess Astarte, also known as Ashtoreth or Ishtar. This was the goddess of sensual love and sex. From her childhood Jezebel was steeped in false religion and government. Jezebel grew up in an atmosphere of position, power, and prestige. She drank deeply of all the arts of political cunning and intrigue.

The name Jezebel means “Baal exulted,” and also indicates one who is “unchaste and unhusbanded.” In other words it denotes one who is lewd, sexually impure, and defiled. Jezebel’s name not only reveals her character, but is also a prophecy of her life! She was so infamous for her wicked wantonness, immorality, and treachery, that lewd women down through the centuries have been dubbed “Jezebel”. These women always display the spirit of Jezebel!

Jezebel married Ahab, the king of Israel. As queen of Israel, she immediately set up the altars, shrines, and temples of her false gods, and began to require the people of Israel to worship these gods.
The Bible tells us that she also practiced witchcraft and that at one time Jezebel had four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal and four hundred prophets of the grove who “ate at her table” (I Kings 18:19), which undoubtedly means that she supported and influenced every one of these false prophets. Baal was the god of agriculture. Baal represents the god of plenty and increase. The goddess of the grove was Astarte, the goddess of all sensual love and sex. Temple prostitutes, sexual orgies, and all manner of uncleanness were part of the ritual of her worship.

The reign of the house of Ahab is typical of the reign of the flesh through carnal men all through the history of Israel and the church. Jezebel is typical of that internal feminine quality of the soul which works in union with the flesh and men who walk after the flesh.

Jezebel represents the aggressive, seductive, lustful desire that influences people in a religious sense apart from the mind of the spirit. This soulical Jezebel is the instigator of all religious and spiritual perversions! She is the source of all error and carnal religious activities! The Lord Jesus said of Jezebel in the church at Thyatira, “which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce my servants.” Jezebel is the carnal and soulish “spirit” that prophesies and teaches in the church systems and seduces many to “commit fornication” with the world and with other false prophets of the church systems! Paul Mueller once commented about Jezebel, saying, “The worst thing about this prophetic witch of evil is that she is married or joined to those who think they are appointed to rule and reign with Christ, as Jezebel was married to wicked Ahab.”



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Armoured said:

They are the same deity. The different religions believe different things about him, though.

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They are not the same Deity!

tturt said:

What is puzzling to me is why anyone would think they're the same. Yahweh doesn't lie (Num 23:19) so He's not going to tell one group love everybody (Mark 12:30-31) while telling another group the opposite.

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It's not the same deity.
For a Christian to believe they are the same Deity they'd have to forgo being Christian because the muslims god , as the Koran tells us, begat no son.
That means Jesus is not the son of Allah. That means the muslim Allah is not the same as the God Yahweh that did beget Jesus.
Jesus was the Son of God, not his slave.
For the muslim god to be the same god as that of the Christians Jesus would have to not only not be the son of allah but he'd also simply be another teacher, and the slave of the god of islam.

Being Jesus is not that to the Christian way of thinking ,Yahweh is not then the muslim god .

Bible Page said:

It's not the same deity.
For a Christian to believe they are the same Deity they'd have to forgo being Christian because the muslims god , as the Koran tells us, begat no son.
That means Jesus is not the son of Allah. That means the muslim Allah is not the same as the God Yahweh that did beget Jesus.
Jesus was the Son of God, not his slave.
For the muslim god to be the same god as that of the Christians Jesus would have to not only not be the son of allah but he'd also simply be another teacher, and the slave of the god of islam.

Being Jesus is not that to the Christian way of thinking ,Yahweh is not then the muslim god .

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Still the same deity. Just different beliefs about Him. Why is this so hard to accept?

It's sometimes easier to approach this topic from the point of view of the Muslims, to put things into perspective. When it comes to what Muslims think on this topic, I find that the answer changes depending on the conversion tactics being used by them with particular groups of people. If someone is attempting to convert the New Age all paths lead to God people, then everyone worships the same God. If someone is attempting to show a dedicated Christian that the Trinity is a wrong belief- then we suddenly become polytheists and certainly don't worship the same God.

Anyway, I'm not an expert on Islam, but I have read the Quran (I once found an Islamic website that listed three English translations side by side and took advantage of it). There is one problem I've seen (more educated folks than me discovered it) regarding God as presented in the Quran.

Muslims say that Jesus is the Word of God and Spirit. It says this in the Quran regarding Jesus.
Kalima tu'llah - "The Word of Allah (God)
Ruhun min Allah - "A spirit from Allah (God)."

If so, and to all evidence the Quran does seem to claim this about Jesus, and since they believe that Jesus isn't God, then they have a serious problem. If Christ isn't God, then they believe that God is without word or spirit.

In light of this, I say that Muslims don't worship the same God as Christians. Muhammad took the things he saw Christians doing and made up his own religion without having anywhere near a complete understanding of the implications of certain things. Another example: Even Muslims believe that Jesus was born of a virgin. Muhammad certainly wasn't. They have no concept of why that is an important thing and the implication of it.

BTW, when Muslim apologists are presented with the above they will have no answer and will go to great lengths to avoid the topic altogether. Sometimes you'll get a long rant about something that has nothing to do with topic at all and won't make much sense. At least the ones I've encountered on-line were like that.

Armoured said:

Still the same deity. Just different beliefs about Him. Why is this so hard to accept?

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It's not the same deity.
Why is that so hard to accept?

Armoured said:

Still the same deity. Just different beliefs about Him. Why is this so hard to accept?

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Well the Orthodox view, implied by the word Orthodox, is that worshipping God correctly is very important.

The entire history of Islam points to Muhammed being under demonic influence - being posessed by a demon masquerading as St. Gabriel, and of Muslims to this day by and laege being systemically coopted by the underlying tenets of their religion into what amounts to accidental devil-worship.