Is Word Of Faith true?

[joevberry3]

Yes, It is 100% True.



A Whole Lot are Healed. There are millions of testimonies to this. But you are accussing the WOF teachers, who call themselves Apostles (And they do fit this category of ministry). At least they are pursuing God to get to the point where the first 12 Apostles were. And I have heard stories that are almost identitical to Biblical circumstances of healing. The WOF teachers are continually increasing in the anointing and power of God and there will be even more healed. At elast they are willing to obey the full Word of God and not afraid to step out in faith. It is the anointing that removes burdens and destroys yokes. And they are increasing in that anointing, and gues what....

THE BEST IS YET TO COME!

Amen my Brother! Praise God!

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Today my body fights the flu, but my spirit rejoices in salvation..

flyfishing . . .Word of faith is not claiming that one's body is not in a fight with sickness, it is making the statement that the sickness has no right to be there. That is of course in the case that we have not given it a right to be there.

 

[crystalpc]

God's word is true, it is his will that none should perish, yet not many are saved why?
By his stripes we are healed, yet not many are healed why?
If God's word is not true for me, then it is I who have failed not God.
I was lost 14 years before I recieved the word.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I think people are mistaken about our intentions.

It is not that we want to be driving around in expensive cars and living high on the hog... I for one really do not care about these things. If it were up to me I would likely live in a single wide and drive my old 1970 ford truck.

My main concern is that there are precious children of God out here who are living in utter proverty when they do not have too. They are there partially because religionists have talked them in to the notion that poverty is somehow a blessing and brings one closer to God. That is an utter lie. Jeus and ONLY Jesus brings us closer to God. Poverty is a blessing to nobody. Until you have seen your kids hungry, sleeping on the floor, and wearing clothes that are full of holes you do not know what poverty is all about.

It kind of makes me disgusted to hear some "more-religious-than-thou" clown spouting garbarge about how "good" poverty is for you... especially when they have never endured poverty and are living comfy in a nice warm house with all the comforts of modern living.

The worst are the hypocrites who say that being impoverished and sick will get closer to God! That is so wicked and evil... it is beyond comprehesion! Dear friends, do not believe a word of these lies of the devil. If these phonies really believed that, why are they not living in a box in the park? Be really spiritual and eat grass and drink out of puddles! That would really bring you closer to God!
Why do they go to the doctor to get the blessing of sickness off of them? They must rather be well than "closer to Gawd" in their sickness. If you were true to the garabage you spout, you would be sick to the max! Let that illness bring you as close to God as it can. Be sick to the max!


I wonder if God will require it of these ones who deceived His children away from the blessings He was provided us.

I pray for you dear heart if you rip these blessings of God away from the children who need them so badly. You are responsible for every one of these ones who you deceive with your religious mumbo jumbo jumbo and cause them to fall short of the blessings of God that Jesus at such a high cost purchased for them.

It is just impossible to believe the phoney baloney we see here in the name of God...
Totally pathetic!

 

[SavedByGrace3]

God's word is true, it is his will that none should perish, yet not many are saved why?
By his stripes we are healed, yet not many are healed why?
If God's word is not true for me, then it is I who have failed not God.
I was lost 14 years before I recieved the word.

You are wise beyond your years dear heart.
It certainly was not because God wanted you to be lost for those 14 years or that He wants the sick to be sick just for His entertainment.

 

[crystalpc]

Amen!! hobart

 

[SavedByGrace3]

(2) I believe, as WoF teaches, that God blesses His people with material as well as spiritual blessings. God does make people rich. However, I also believe that hardship may also be part of God's discipline...

Yo T7.
Just a question in the spirit of our ongoing discussion.

To what end is this discipline... and once the end is achived, should not the discipline cease?

Should the discipline end in death, or is death actually a form of failure.... not only of the believer but also of the method that God is using.
Does God fail in His workings?

Dids

 

[Andrew]

Of cse WOF is true (except for the abuses), otherwise, why wld God bring about this move, and the devil attack it?

 

[Theophilus7]

Of cse WOF is true (except for the abuses), otherwise, why wld God bring about this move, and the devil attack it?

This is circular reasoning, Andrew. Your premises are essentially the same as your conclusion.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Amen!!!


WHAT BOTHERS ME ESPECIALLY IS 'THE DOCTRINES" EMPHASIS ON CONDENMNATION..

Btw i am feeling much better.. No need to repent though..

I made a goal of mine never to condemn a person because of thier lack of faith when they dont recieve healing.. It is my lack of faith because if i believed he would answer my prayer... But preachers of this doctrine set themselves as "little gods" and those who are not healed as inferior and immature,lack of faith etc..

What in the world are you talking about????
Condemnation???? Who.... when????
What "emphasis"?????
When is it even mentioned, much less "emphasized" ???

huh?????????

 

[Theophilus7]

Hi dd.

Yo T7.
To what end is this discipline... and once the end is achived, should not the discipline cease?

The end is perfect conformity to God. Once this end has been achieved, yes, the discipline (or training, if you prefer) is no longer necessary. When my will is in complete harmony with His perfect will, when I can consistently find my highest good in God alone, when God has become the end and not the means... Ah. Then, there will be no more dying to do.

I'm not there yet. But I do believe that "He who began a good work in [me] will be faithful to complete it."

Should the discipline end in death, or is death actually a form of failure.... not only of the believer but also of the method that God is using.
Does God fail in His workings?

The discipline is death, dd. Nothing that has not first submitted to death will ever be resurrected. Actual death of the body, which I think you are referring to, is just one more act of yielding. The martyr submits even his precious body to the will of God, giving it up for Jesus. And the old man too who died a 'natural death' may die as an act of submission, willingly yielding Himself to God, instead of fearfully clinging to his life with the latest age-defying treatments.

 

[Theophilus7]

I think he is referring to the fact that Word of Faith theology, as Ken Blue observes, absolutises the relative in its connection between faith and healing. Thus it is hard to escape the logic that a person who wasn't healed must have been deficient in faith, which can lead to feelings of guilt and self-condemnation.

If this is what our friend meant, he has put it very badly indeed!

 

[Theophilus7]

I'm not quite sure who you are addressing these comments to, HS . Your comments also seem a little out of proportion...

But I do agree with you on the subject of poverty. It is absurd and somewhat odious for comfortable Western theologians to enthuse about the 'blessing' of literal poverty (and I don't mean being 'hard up') when they have never tasted it.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I think he is referring to the fact that Word of Faith theology, as Ken Blue observes, absolutises the relative in its connection between faith and healing. Thus it is hard to escape the logic that a person who wasn't healed must have been deficient in faith, which can lead to feelings of guilt and self-condemnation.

If this is what our friend meant, he has put it very badly indeed!

I do not know Ken Blue..
But I do not see where there is an "emphasis."
That is my question and comment. The only ones who "emphasize" it are the WOF detractors. I have never see condemnation mentioned on these boards by recognized WOFers. In fact we continually refute the concept that someone is "condemned" for not having the faith necessary to accomplish something and further we acknowledge that it is the norm to _NOT_ have the faith for these things (at least initially). It is a forgone conclusion that we all need to grow in faith. If someone is so sensitive that it cannot even be suggested to them that there is room for growth, then there is a greater issue at hand than mere healing or prosperity. Someone just needs to grow up a little and deal with their pride and stop being so touchy. This attitude could actually be at the root of their inability to get healed and prosper to start with! Humble yourself, admit your need, seek, and then you will find.

If I walked into my kitchen and saw my 6 year old grandson reaching for a cup that was just out of his reach, and I said to him: "you are not tall enough to reach that cup"... would this be condemnation? It would only be if he were of a mind to see it that way. So this insistence that there is condemnation actually says more about those who are offended then the alleged offenders. There is a proverb that says "the wicked flee when no man persues...". Not to say they are wicked, but they if they are feeling guilty.... it is not because of what we say. It is their own mind set and rational that brings this about. Should we never suggest to anyone that they can be healed or prosper for fear that they might take it the wrong way? Should we stop preaching the gospel to sinners for fear that they will become indignant that someone is suggesting they are sinners and even need to be saved?

Dids

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I'm not quite sure who you are addressing these comments to, HS . Your comments also seem a little out of proportion...

But I do agree with you on the subject of poverty. It is absurd and somewhat odious for comfortable Western theologians to enthuse about the 'blessing' of literal poverty (and I don't mean being 'hard up') when they have never tasted it.

heh heh heh heh
Hobs is renown for pressing the point to extreme just to make a point.
Anyone can get hysterical and scream the sky is falling when in fact the sky is safe and secure... and in fact could not fall if it wanted to. Hobs does make some valid points about our treating the sacrifice of the Lord as if the benefits thereof are optional and therefore a waste of His blood and body.

"hard up"- is the the Brit slang for being "down and out"?