Is Western Liberal Democracy inherently anti-Christ or Satanic?

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Rturner: “For example, some Methodist synods will marry gays, but Baptists don't.”

No such thing had ever been heard of when my mother married my father.

The Methodists differ from Baptists in accepting infant baptism and in church organization.

Denominational divisions are largely historical rather than anything modern Americans asked for. The American Baptists split with the Southern Baptists at the time of the Civil War and never got back together. The National Baptists are black Baptists.

No church makes secular law, although their members vote.
 
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Ignatius: “And when we compare that sack to the later actions of secular states, does it even compare to the bombing of Dresden of the nuking of Tokyo?”


Tokyo wasn’t nuked. The Allied Command considered it but rejected the idea. One of their reasons is that they figured that if they destroyed the government in Tokyo there wouldn’t be anyone to surrender.

The Allied Command also decided not to bomb Kyoto because the Buddhist Temples there were an artistic treasure.


Ignatius: “Are those actions justified because they are in the name of liberal democracy (in whose name we may kill in abandon to secure it)?”

The US didn’t get into WW II to defend or promote liberal democracy. That is why the US did not declare war on Germany when France fell. The US got into WW II when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. The bombing of Pearl Harbor was both an attack on US territory and an attack on US military capabilities.
 
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So are you justifying the firebombing and nuking of Japanese civilians?
Why did Japan attack pearl harbour to begin with? It was due in part to the inevitability of the US entering the war to begin with. Roosevelt wanted to enter the war to crush Germany and Japan despite Americans at the time wanting avoid war. But here's the thing, when the US entered the war were their actions of targeting civilians justified? Or was it evil and something the US shouldnt have done?
 
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No such thing had ever been heard of when my mother married my father.
My parents either. I had never heard of a church-approved gay marriage being acceptable probably until the new millennium. I wonder what changed?
The Methodists differ from Baptists in accepting infant baptism and in church organization
I grew up Methodist (AME) and they kicked out the Pastor at one point because of the rumor that he was a closeted gay. He was a really good preacher though. He used to get me fired up but according to the other gays in that church, he was living a lie.
Most churches split from each other just after the Reformation and in North America. I agree. My point was, if we start making the rules or laws we live by in society, What church has the right interpretation of Christian doctrine? Like in the example you used about the Baptist Church(s). Some are completely white and some are completely black. Some believe that LGBT people should be shunned and not included in society, some have open doors to all and will even go so far as to provide same-sex marriages.

Back in the day like during my parent's lifetime, it was patently illegal to be gay in many countries. It still is in Muslim countries and in Russia. That would be an example of a church law made secular with no majority vote. the cool thing is that if enough Christians unify, they may have a majority when it comes to legislating laws based on Christian values but then we are back to "which denomination?" Americans have totally different value sets based on their specific denomination's teaching. So it seems to me, due to that fact, the country could never be united when it comes to things like abortion, sexual/gender alternative lifestyles, death penalty, welfaare/healthcare, etc.
No church makes secular law, although their members vote
 
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