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What is that water though, not physical washing of the body that saves, but a spiritual washing done by the Holy Spirit.
A baptism by God in Christ in God, he that believes and is baptized shall be saved.
But if you do not believe, then damned.
Jesus is the one who baptizes you with the Holy Spirit, that is the baptism that saves you.
Mark 16:16
He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Jesus clearly said this too, and no baptism is mentioned at all.
John 5
24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
Paul said this too about baptism.
1 Corinthians 1:17
For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.
So what are you going to believe?
Acts 2.38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
That was Peter discharging HIS OWN RESPONSIBILITY in the baptizmal issue. He is NOT his transferring the responsibility to someone else. He is telling those who are responding to the gospel that they are to submit to being baptized by the apostles.
Where did this come from?? He is not talking about works, or anything of the sort. The OP asked strictly about is water baptism necessary, and the answer is yes.
The Bible clearly states that we are to be baptized and "born again" in water and spirit.
John 3:5 "Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
Sounds pretty clear to me.
Doesnt say its no longer valid, it just say they needed further instruction and then as baptized into christ. Definitly their udnerstanding was incomplete as they only had heard johns teaching.But according to Acts 19, John's baptism was no longer valid.
Which is why baptism should be able to be available and offered with any sermon or preaching for example... For when such ones feel so convicted that they greatly desire to repent and they should be able to "seal the deal" right then and there with a baptism on the spot... (This is how John the Baptist did it.)The whole problem lies in the statement "repent and be baptized". We think of it as two things. But in jewish thinking, it is the same thing, it was called "the baptism of repentance", and john the baptiser was the first to bring the real meaning of it.
SO since we break it up into two things, this is true for us, you can definitly be baptised in water and NOT have repented, rendering the gospel useless to you. You can, like so many in the new testament, repent and NOT be baptized and by that fulfil the requirement to receive the gospel for yourself.
I use to believe this as well......which is why i still dont judge and say i KNOW the way........cant give specific directions to a place I've never been... This is what blind leading blind means.The point of salvation is when we die, and are accepted into heaven. (Not going into the topic of purgatory here.) That is the 1 and only time when we know that we are saved.
There is no other time on earth when we know that we are saved. However, by following the teaches of Jesus, we can believe that we will be entering into heaven.
Wha....? Nothing you said makes sense.
by "water and the Spirit" is clear as day, why do you guys try to over-complicate it??
Jesus said, John 3:5, and then specifically told the apostles to go and baptize in Matthew 28:19
It's not that hard to understand.....
Water baptism is a ceremonial work, and as such is separate from the sole requirement for salvation, namely faith.
In John 3 Jesus is contrasting the physical with the spiritual. Everyone is born in water - the amniotic fluid, which wikipedia notes: "The amniotic fluid, commonly called a pregnant woman's water"
To see the kingdom of God one must not only be physically born, but also born a second time - that by the Spirit.
No one accepts 1 John 5 but that is exactly what is meant when it is said there are three that testify on earth: the water and the blood(natural man) and the spirit and these three agree in one (man reborn of GOD)Water baptism is a ceremonial work, and as such is separate from the sole requirement for salvation, namely faith.
In John 3 Jesus is contrasting the physical with the spiritual. Everyone is born in water - the amniotic fluid, which wikipedia notes: "The amniotic fluid, commonly called a pregnant woman's water"
To see the kingdom of God one must not only be physically born, but also born a second time - that by the Spirit.
Which is why baptism should be able to be available and offered with any sermon or preaching for example... For when such ones feel so convicted that they greatly desire to repent and they should be able to "seal the deal" right then and there with a baptism on the spot... (This is how John the Baptist did it.)
Then you would have an "act" to solidify and be able to remember that act as a very deeply meaningful act of repenting to you personally... Separating the two is probably why baptism and repentance seem to not be as successful as they used to be...
Especially with good, effective preaching, where people throw their hands up in the air, and say "What?, What are we to do...?" Then you can say "repent" and seal the deal with the act of being baptized, right now... While the iron is hot, so to speak...
Probably be much more effective than say, an atypical "altar call"...
God Bless!
Saving faith the NT speaks about includes baptism. If a person is not baptized then he does not have this saving faith. I know nothing about your personal life but I do know NT faith includes baptism.
And what of Cornelius and his household. When were they saved? When they received the Holy Spirit, if at that moment they died would then end up in heaven or hell? Where they not saved until after they got baptized.
Now the angel said to Cornelius, "Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter, who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved." Acts 11:13,14
People are not saved by some religious ceremony. They are saved by words, by putting their faith in the promise of God. Ceremonial salvation is much like what some preached that you have to be circumcised to be saved.
Who even suggested such a thing? That is ridiculous.No such thing as proxy baptism where Peter(evangelist) is baptized for someone else.
And what of Cornelius and his household. When were they saved? When they received the Holy Spirit, if at that moment they died would then end up in heaven or hell? Were they not saved until after they got baptized?
Now the angel said to Cornelius, "Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter, who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved." Acts 11:13,14
People are not saved by some religious ceremony. They are saved by words, by putting their faith in the promise of God. Ceremonial salvation is much like what some preached that you have to be circumcised to be saved.
the point is of course that its is a proof that baptism happened after they received the spirit, and since ppeter in his gospel literally connected repentance as reqiurement to receive the spirit, they must have fulfilled all commands of repentance and thereby received the spirit, before any water was applied. The hole spirit didnt care that there was no water, he didnt wain on peter to baptise themThey were all baptized by Peter.....it's right there is Acts 10: 46-48
They were all baptized by Peter.....it's right there is Acts 10: 46-48
Peter received the Spirit within in John 20.22. He recieved it UPON in Acts 2.Peter also experienced spirit upon when he immediately left the upper room and began to preach. Peter was sanctified yes by the in dwelling SPIRIT but his sanctification ( just as any believer) is an ongoing work by THE SANCTIFIER who leads us and teaches us
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