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I am talking about Christian Water Baptism; which is one of 7 different baptisms listed in the New Testament.Sir. Did you want to discuss THE BAPTISM or water baptism?
Did you know that the WHOLE BIBLE is THE TESTIMONY of JESUS?The whole bible is NOT only about how to get saved. There are many things that are of great importance but are NOT salvic.
There is zero biblical support for that statement.NT belief includes baptism, so one has not believed until he has been baptized.
So the guy on the cross next to our Lord was NOT saved?The NT does not teach deathbed salvation.
OF course. And 90% of it is about how to live AFTER one is saved.Did you know that the WHOLE BIBLE is THE TESTIMONY of JESUS?
NT belief includes baptism, so one has not believed until he has been baptized. The NT does not teach deathbed salvation.
one can believe and then be baptized. One in their death bed can believe and can be given the symbolic water baptism but THE BAPTISM by GOD is what washes and makes cleanNT belief includes baptism, so one has not believed until he has been baptized. The NT does not teach deathbed salvation.
Eph 2:8-----------faith>>>>>>>>>>>>>savesThere is zero biblical support for that statement.
DaveW=Ohev said:So the guy on the cross next to our Lord was NOT saved?
What about the thief on the cross.....has religion made an exception for him........or do we just dismiss it with "we dont know if he was baptized sometime before getting on the cross?"
Dave,Actually it is a LOT more than that. It has supernatural implications.
No such thing in the NT gospel as "symbolic baptism".one can believe and then be baptized. One in their death bed can believe and can be given the symbolic water baptism but THE BAPTISM by GOD is what washes and makes clean
And that BSPTISM is though hearing and believing THE TRUTH of THE SON of GOD who came forth from THE FATHER and into the world for the salvation of all who believe
Even that one on their death bed
So are you saying that I was not saved for those first 10 years, even though I had led others to faith in Jesus?ph 2:8-----------faith>>>>>>>>>>>>>saves
1Peter 3:11-------baptism>>>>>>>>>>>saves
Since there is just one way to be saved, no alternatives, then a NT saving faith must include baptism.
Yes I can, but it would be off topic in this thread.Dave,
Can you do please tell me about THE CHURCH?
And how can one become a member of THE CHURCH?
Nice spin, but your wrong. Nicodemus even asked how a man could go back inside his mother's womb, and Jesus rebuked him saying " Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.c]">[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’d]">[d] 8 The winde]">[e] blows where it wills, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know whence it comes or whither it goes; so it is with every one who is born of the Spirit.” John 3:5-8
You are trying to downplay the role of baptism in our salvation. If Jesus did not mean baptism in this, but meant natural birth, then why did Jesus go and become baptized by John in the river?
Matthew 3:13-17, and why after Jesus was baptized did God declare Jesus as his son when (of course) Jesus was His son since the very beginning of time?
It's simple, we are to be baptized "in water and spirit" or we cannot enter the kingdom of God.
What about the thief on the cross.....has religion made an exception for him........or do we just dismiss it with "we dont know if he was baptized sometime before getting on the cross?"
Correct.No such thing in the NT gospel as "symbolic baptism".
Saving faith the NT speaks about includes baptism. If a person is not baptized then he does not have this saving faith. I know nothing about your personal life but I do know NT faith includes baptism.So are you saying that I was not saved for those first 10 years, even though I had led others to faith in Jesus?
Again,
He is not an example of NT salvation.
1)
Hebrews 9:16-17 when Christ promised the thief paradise both Christ and thief were alive and under the OT law. Christ, the testator of the NT had not yet died so the NT was not yet in force.
2)
Romans 10:9
Romans 6:3-5
From Romans 10:9 a NT belief requires one to believe that God "hath raised" (Past tense) Christ from the dead
From Romans 6:3-5 NT baptism is where one is baptized into Christ's death.
Again, when Christ promised the thief paradise Christ had not died so neither of these two NT requirement could not be met by the thief and were not requirements under the OT law.
Therefore any and all attempts in trying to use the thief to "prove" baptism is not essential to salvation have failed and will continue to fail.
You are making the ASSUMPTION the thief was never baptized, so the "thief argument" also dies on this assumption
all these things these lower signs and symbols pointed us to ALL THE REALITIES FOUND in CHRIST JESUSNo such thing in the NT gospel as "symbolic baptism".
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