Is water baptism a requirment to be saved

miknik5 · Feb 2, 2017

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May HE open the eyes and ears of your heart to THE TRUTH of HIS SON
And may HE give you the wisdom and knowledge to understand THIS GREAT SALVATION....IN.....CHRIST JESUS

May God bless you

Sorry if you have become confused

Seek to know HIM for yourself

RaymondG · Feb 2, 2017

Wolf_Says said:
No, but you have repentance throughout your life with confession.

Another thing that Jesus gave to us, when he sent the apostles out and gave them the power to either forgive sins or retain them. This is after Jesus's death and resurrection. John 20:22-23

All of us here will die, period. We find heaven after we die.

Yes, i believe what you say is true for you.

I, on the other hand, have been called to Seek the Kingdom of heaven. And I will find it...cause "everyone that seeks shall find"

You see.. I am dead now. I can hear the knocking but dont see the door yet. When the door is revealed to me, I will open it and Christ will enter in and sup with me and I with him. Then i will be in Heaven. Then I shall pass from death to life and will hence forth die no more. Then my journey begins...

Dave-W · Feb 2, 2017

miknik5 said:
If you do then how did you enter in?

What was the tradition of a first born ( Jewish) son?

The matrix (a math expression) has nothing to do with birth.

sdowney717 · Feb 2, 2017

DO YOU BELIEVE THIS?
John 11:26
And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Interesting this part also 'whoever lives in ME', referring of course to us being born from above FIRST, then us believing in Him afterwards... See there is ONLY 1 thing that must occur for you to be heavenbound belonging to God's kingdom, that is to be born again.

And Jesus teaches through His chosen apostle Paul in Titus 3 this means to be born by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit
And Jesus teaches that this happens without observation, the Holy Spirit blows wherever He wills and they are born again.

John 3New King James Version (NKJV)
The New Birth
3 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Dave-W · Feb 2, 2017

miknik5 said:
What was the tradition of a first born ( Jewish) son?

There are a lot of traditions associated with the first born. I am not sure that any of them have anything to do with water baptism. (that IS our topic of discussion here)

miknik5 · Feb 2, 2017

I'm sorry sir

According to GOD's WORD "matrix' has NOTHING to do with math

DrBubbaLove · Feb 2, 2017

sdowney717 said:
Jesus saying you must be born of water and the Holy Spirit, Paul explains in Titus as the 'water of regeneration (water Christ speaks of)and renewal of the Holy Ghost (the Spirit Christ speaks of).

Judge with right and sound understanding the scriptures.

Note please, this doctrine is not about the 'womb' being the water.

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

The Holy Spirit blows wherever He will and they are born of God from above, without observation, meaning nothing you can see! No observable act of baptism by water.

Luke 17:20
[ The Coming of the Kingdom ] Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation;

Titus 3New King James Version (NKJV)
Graces of the Heirs of Grace
1 Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, 2 to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men. 3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

I challenge all to beleive what Christ says and not be swayed from the simple truth of Christ. read John 5, 6. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.

Water Baptism cannot be talking about Spirit.
Acts 10:47

"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"

Two different acts described
Acts 19:5-6

When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

miknik5 · Feb 2, 2017

RaymondG said:
Yes, i believe what you say is true for you.

I, on the other hand, have been called to Seek the Kingdom of heaven. And I will find it...cause "everyone that seeks shall find"

You see.. I am dead now. I can hear the knocking but dont see the door yet. When the door is revealed to me, I will open it and Christ will enter in and sup with me and I with him. Then i will be in Heaven. Then I shall pass from death to life and will hence forth die no more. Then my journey begins...

Are you praying now?

miknik5 · Feb 2, 2017

RaymondG

I was going to say all that to you

Those who seek shall find, those who ask it shall be given, those who knock THE DOOR shall be opened...And HE will come in and "eat"(fellowship) with you and you with HIM

And you will learn of HIM from HIM

Then you too will be like the townspeople who heard the women st the well say "come, cone and see a man who told me everything I ever did. Could this be the CHRIST?"

And the townspeople asked HIM t stay with them

And afterwards, they turned to the woman and said we no longer believe by your word but we have heard HIM for ourselves and we believe that this is THE SAVIOR of the world

But it sounds like THE LORD is talking to you already

friend of · Feb 2, 2017

I don't believe so. Human rituals don't mean anything to God. Only faith in Christ is required and proof of faith is emulating Christ and following the commandments and His word. This is why I'm nondenominational.

miknik5 · Feb 2, 2017

RaymondG...
"Who is it who has overcome the world?"

(1 John 5)

miknik5 · Feb 2, 2017

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DaveW-Ohev said:
There are a lot of traditions associated with the first born. I am not sure that any of them have anything to do with water baptism. (that IS our topic of discussion here)

I wasn t discussing water baptism

I was discussing ALL THE REALITIES FOUND IN CHRIST

RaymondG · Feb 2, 2017

miknik5 said:
RaymondG

I was going to say all that to you

Those who seek shall find, those who asknit shall be given, those who knock THE DOOR shall be opened.
And HE will come in and "eat"(fellowship) with you and you with HIM

And you will learn of HIM from HIM

Then you too will be like the townspeople who heard the women st the well say come, cone and see a man who told me everything I ever did. Could this be the messiah

And the townspeople asked HIM t stay with them

And afterwards, they turned to the woman and said we no longer. Relieve by your word but we have heard HIM for ourselves and we believe that this is THE SAVIOR who was to come

But it sounds like THE LORD is talking to you already

Although I'm not kneeling and intentionally talking to theFather now, I believe my every thought is a prayer heard by God. So Ive stopped judging and started guarding my heart and my mind. Ive become a watchman, of sort, of my own soul.

I know He's speaking.....Things just arent clear yet.....too many decades of religious walls that have to come down... But patience is the key......In time I will possess my soul. I believe it is dangerous to receive the power before one is ready. I will continue to work in my garden until all the weeds are pulled up and its time to get my penny.

sdowney717 · Feb 2, 2017

DrBubbaLove said:
Water Baptism cannot be talking about Spirit.
Acts 10:47

"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"

Two different acts described
Acts 19:5-6

When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Correct water baptism is a work a man does.
And it has nothing to do with having eternal life or speaking in tongues.

John the Baptizer was of the end of Old Covenant, his ministry was a time of transition, preparing the jewish people for the Christ to come who baptizes with the Holy Spirit not earthly water. His ministry ended. Christ's ministry began and supersedes John's.

Matthew 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

redleghunter · Feb 2, 2017

AJTruth said:
Is water baptism a requirment to be saved

Let's take the NT witness of the followers of Jesus Christ.

The dominant theme is always:

-Gospel Preached
-Gospel Heard
-Holy Spirit at work convicting the sinner ('they were cut to the heart' Acts 2)---See John 3 Jesus Nicodemus discussion
-People react to the Gospel (either walk away, want to hear more, or take action)
-People who believe and take action were baptized
-People who were baptized join the ekklesia and walk in obedience to Christ's commands and actions.

That's pretty much the unemotional, sterile observation from the NT church. We know 'loads more' goes on inside the believer, especially what it means to be 'cut to the heart.'

The baptism in Acts 2 and Acts 10 firmly shows people reacting to the message given. Therefore, asking such a question as 'does baptism save?' is like asking "is a person a full person if they have no legs?"

The better question which I rarely see is: Can someone be a Christian without being baptized? To that question I would say 'I don't think so.'

Archivist · Feb 2, 2017

Mark 16:16 "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

Note that Mark did not say that "whoever does not believe and is not baptized will be condemned." Should Christians be baptized? Of course. Why? God said to be baptized. Will believers not be saved if they are not baptized. No, a Christian will be saved. Why? Because the Bible does not say that those believers who are not baptized will be condemned.

In saying this I am specifically thinking of situations where someone is mortally wounded and comes to Jesus as they are dying but without time for a water baptism.

miknik5 · Feb 2, 2017

RaymondG said:
Although I'm not kneeling and intentionally talking to theFather now, I believe my every thought is a prayer heard by God. So Ive stopped judging and started guarding my heart and my mind. Ive become a watchman, of sort, of my own soul.

I know He's speaking.....Things just arent clear yet.....too many decades of religious walls that have to come down... But patience is the key......In time I will possess my soul. I believe it is dangerous to receive the power before one is ready. I will continue to work in my garden until all the weeds are pulled up and its time to get my penny.

He's working in that t garden sir. Tiling the soil around your heart and rooting you in HIS LOVE and your love of THE BRIDEGROOM

HE is the DOOR unto THE KINGDOM and the Overseer of our souls

Faith shall be proved genuine

Faith directed in and on HIM
THE AUTHOR and THE FINISHER of our faith

What we began in is what we will end in

From faith-------->to faith
From first--------->to last

Dave-W · Feb 2, 2017

miknik5 said:
I wasn t discussing water baptism
I was discussing ALL THE REALITIES FOUND IN CHRIST

Then take it to another thread. The OP is about water baptism.

Dave-W · Feb 2, 2017

miknik5 said:
According to GOD's WORD "matrix' has NOTHING to do with math

The other main usage of it is the name of a violent movie series - based on the computer screens looking like a math matrix.
THere are other uses of course but they all refer back to the math matrix in one way or another.

I find no mention of the term in scripture:

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Bible Highlighter · Feb 2, 2017

Water baptism is not for the putting away of the filth of the flesh (1 Peter 3:21). The Bible defines filth (filthiness) of the flesh as "sin." (2 Corinthians 7:1). So baptism does not save in regards to the salvation of our souls. However, that does not mean that there are other things that a believer must show as a part of their faith thru out their life in order to prove Jesus lives within them (See 1 John 2:3-6) (James 2:17) (James 2:24) (Titus 1:16). For without abiding in Jesus, there is no life (1 John 5:12).

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