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we are told to test the spirits, I would conclude that this test would be to show if the spirit was evil or from God.
since Jesus mentions that He was sending One Spirit, namely the Holy Spirit, I would also conclude that the test would merely show if it was one or the other
we have no examples in scripture where a "good spirit" other than the Holy Spirit did anything to help followers of Christ
Jayem - They go into it with all of their equipment in an attempt to disprove hauntings.. and whatever can not be disproven.. they claim to be a haunting.
In the first couple of seasons, they seemed to be wayyy more genuine and that is what first attracted me to the show because they would try and find other explanations. Now, I see that some.. but something is ALWAYS happening and I think that it is over exaggerated now.
I do like it though because of the cast members on the show, they are funny.. and I do like seeing the old buildings and hearing the history of them.
Believing in ghosts is a sin in my book. Ghosts are not real nor are Ufos and so on. We do know that demons can take the shape of anything to pull us away from God.
Really? I didn't even know they existed at all, please show me some evidence that supports this highly doubtful claim. Are there pictures of demons?We do know that demons can take the shape of anything to pull us away from God.
Why are aliens so hard to believe but demons and spirits are not? The spirits of the deceased floating around us and trying to scare us -that totally exists, but creatures evolving on another planet? That's just ridiculous!Well yeah UFOs are real in terms of it does apply to other things. I guess I was more refering the whole "aliens ufo" thing.
I see. So, we can't see or hear or detect their presence in any way. Yet, we know they are fighting a war around us.In terms of demons existing, they don't have a actual form that we see. The way I was told about it was that angels and demons are fighting a spiritual war, but our eyes cannot see it. So its more of they fight around us, but I assume they mean it as they are in another dimension?
That is all speculation based on zero evidence. Assuming ghosts or demons are real, what could they possibly gain from this? Why would a demon need to turn himself into a ghost if the demon itself can haunt you?They can however take forms of things that would draw our attention from God. Such as if you see a ghost, its just a demon that took form of a ghost. Or there is the fact of possession where they posses you instead. However I don't think that really happens anymore. Overall I can't explain it all or prove it really. I simply go by what the bible says or what those who have studied scripture say. It doesn't matter to me.
The reason we can't see orbs is because we don't have a flash built into our face. Even if we did, the image is only there for a fraction of a second. This is why only cameras capture 'orbs'. Not because they 'see' something we don't, they're just better at preserving the moment in time than our memory is. Orbs are nothing but dust particles in the air, reflecting the light from the flash back to the camera. You see, we can come up with perfectly reasonable explanations if we try. You really want to see some orbs, take a picture underwater. For some reason millions of these 'spirits' seem to just hang out underwater.I will say though many of my friends believe in orbs or ghosts and refused to believe alot of times the photos/videos we see are faked. So I made my own ghost/orb pictures using nothing more then a camera. No photoshop or anything. They were astounded that my pics look just like the ones they look at. Actually the orbs thing is nothing more then a camera seeing things differently then we do (such as sometimes its dust particles). Although some claim the orbs can only be seen by a camera.
For one aliens don't exist because the bible says this is the only planet with life (although there is speculation on that). Second spirits as a christian means whats inside you, the thing that goes to heaven. Not spirits as in ghosts. Thats the worlds definition of spirits.Why are aliens so hard to believe but demons and spirits are not
Again its based on what the bible says. Although we don't know if its literal or not. As in are the literally fighting around us or does it just mean a spiritual battle as in demons tempting us to sin and angels saying "No stop!".Yet, we know they are fighting a war around us.
Well thats why I use the idea of dimensions because I know us geeks and nerds know about dimensions. God for example is not in this dimension as we know it. Hence we cannot see him physically. Lets skip the thing about believing in invisible men thing.Actually, the idea of ghosts or spirits being in another dimension isn't so far fetched, in fact,
As opposed to the evidence that proves ghosts and aliens are real?That is all speculation based on zero evidence.
He/she/it doesn't do it to haunt you. Thats not a demons purpose. As christian we are to focus on God. So demons have been around since earth was formed so they know that we believe in anything blindly sometimes. So they will take the form of a ghost to lure someone away from focusing on God. Thus you will start spending you time looking up ghost videos, reading books about them...etc. This removes you from being focused on God.Why would a demon need to turn himself into a ghost if the demon itself can haunt you?
I only believe it happened during biblical times. I don't think it really happens now. Thats my opinion though.And possession is total rubbish, I refuse to believe in demonic possession.
They don't have to transform into anything at all to attack you. Have you had sex before marriage? Done drugs? Gotten drunk? Hated someone? and so on. If you have then while it was you in the end doing it. Those urges are demons (for lack of better terms) whispering to you to do things not of the Lord.I find it interesting that demons don't seem to bother those who don't believe in them.
For one aliens don't exist because the bible says this is the only planet with life (although there is speculation on that). Second spirits as a christian means whats inside you, the thing that goes to heaven. Not spirits as in ghosts. Thats the worlds definition of spirits.
Oh! Right, how could I be so glib? Of course the bible says it, so it must be true!The only supernatural things that exist are God, angels and demons. However in the bible there are some lesser things like cherubs and stuff like that. But those are in heaven.
I'm gonna say, it's figurative speech. Probably a metaphor.Again its based on what the bible says. Although we don't know if its literal or not. As in are the literally fighting around us or does it just mean a spiritual battle as in demons tempting us to sin and angels saying "No stop!".
I really like the idea of God or even spirits living in other dimensions but I don't know how factual that really is, part of me will always dismiss the supernatural. It's just how I am.Well thats why I use the idea of dimensions because I know us geeks and nerds know about dimensions. God for example is not in this dimension as we know it. Hence we cannot see him physically. Lets skip the thing about believing in invisible men thing.
No, I'm saying there is no evidence for demons turning into ghosts to push people away from God. That is a ridiculous assumption. And there is evidence that suggests life could in fact evolve on any other planet with conditions similar to the earth. This is completely plausible, and I find it very interesting that we might not be alone in this universe.As opposed to the evidence that proves ghosts and aliens are real?
Ok.He/she/it doesn't do it to haunt you. Thats not a demons purpose.
Why?So they will take the form of a ghost to lure someone away from focusing on God.
Good thing I find the entire subject of ghosts as total rubbish, I have no reason to look up videos about things that don't exist.Thus you will start spending you time looking up ghost videos, reading books about them...etc. This removes you from being focused on God.
I'm pretty sure Muslim wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that about Christianity. You shouldn't about Islam. People's beliefs are a very personal thing believe it or not. (No pun intended)So its about side tracking you, nothing else. Just as some would say allah is just a concept that demons put in the hearts of someone so they would create a religion around allah. Thus again it draws you away from christianity and God.
YesThey don't have to transform into anything at all to attack you. Have you had sex before marriage?
YesDone drugs?
Yes, I've done all those things. I'm human.Gotten drunk? Hated someone?
I think we need better terms.If you have then while it was you in the end doing it. Those urges are demons (for lack of better terms) whispering to you to do things not of the Lord.
I guess, until I see some evidence that suggests these demons are causing this, I would have to say these things are perfectly natural for a human being to feel. Are you sure it was the demon saying "come on" and not the girl? If sex is so sacred, why do animals do it?Example I had sex before marriage. I felt the battle in my body of the holy spirit saying (not literally a voice) pushing me to not have sex. But I felt a bigger urge from a demon to have sex. It felt like I was hearing "Come on, just once... God won't notice!". Its why I gave in to things. A better word is temptation. Demons are great at tempting us. Now your response might be "Wanting to have sex is normal!" or "I choose to get drunk!". Yes you did. And yes we do have urges. But demons and angels have deeper power to push us away/towards these things. Ultimately leaving it up to us to do them or not. Call it persuasion.
Actually, sex is a big deal, and it should be to everyone engaged in it. Whether premarital or post, sex is ultimately the beginning of life and there can be big consequences for it. But it is not unnatural to want to have sex. Quite the opposite actually, I think Christians are the unnatural ones, wanting to shun such a beautiful act.Again to you sex isn't a big deal. But to God it is. Hence why non-christians think what we call sinning is ok.
It seems like they don't do anything to those who don't believe they exist.I will say I don't think demons try as hard to go after those are living in alot of sin since they have them hooked.
However if you started to question your life and thought about chrsitianity... you better believe they will attack you. Many who have become christians and has sinful lifestyles say its feels like a war going on in their head. Like theres two sides tugging at you. Hence spiritual warfare.
There are lots of things we once thought were inexplicable; the weather, disease and disorders, the movement of the stars and planets, flight etc. etc..... But because some of us never took "Goddidit!" as an good enough answer, we now understand these things. No thanks to faith. I never get why people say; "we're just humans" humans are the most fascinating animal to ever walk the earth. If you don't see that, I feel very sorry for you.Meh. The whole "I need evidence!" thing. I like evidence/facts to but sometimes you have to realize there are some things bigger that just can't be explained by science. And lets face it, we are just humans. How can we claim to know the answer to everything (aside from 42). Just like when it comes to fossil dating and so on. People say its correct just "because it is!". How do you know that?
Meh. The whole; "science has failed before so...." thing. Actually, it's humans how fail, not science itself. Which is why religion can't be infallible, it's a human invention, in case you didn't know.A human who doesn't know everything created a machine that gives us dates based on what we do know. How is that enough to claim it must be right? I've pointed it out before but science has been wrong so many times through history that I don't believe everything it says.
No it's notThe earth isn't flat
I guess it depends who's getting a lobotomylobotomies don't fix people
Yes we can, thanks to men of science like the Wright Bros. and all the engineers who developed the modern airplanes we use today.we CAN fly.
Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaWhy with your big bang theory where is the evidence its real?
for what it's worth,Do you have a picture?
And I'm sure you just love that, don't you? You relish in human failures. Sad really. I also see you don't understand what a theory is, or the idea that nothing is 100% for certain.Oh wait, you just go by theories and guessing. >.> Science demands evidence but yet lacks evidence for alot of what it says. I've heard that science is now saying darwin's theory may be flawed. Something that scientists said was 100% true. I guess they spoke to soon. ^.^
So how are you any different calling them the same names?Lastly, I often hear atheists tell me "Christians can't think outside the box!". Which makes no sense since its the opposite way around.
How is this illogical? Makes perfect sense to me. I think you need to re-read what you typed there.Its like saying "I farted because I was gassy!". How is that somehow logical.
Right, because adhering to the same story from 3000 years ago is totally original and fresh. You are so inventive with your theories about the 6 day creation..... Now I see why atheists say that.To me thinking outside the box means to be creative, something that may be not common thinking.
Look up General Relativity. This one theory completely changed the way we see the world.Something that is just bigger then you can imagine.
Maybe if I were an uneducated farmer in Mesopotamia 3000 years ago I'd think that. To me outside the box is saying the Earth goes round the Sun when clearly all the visual evidence suggests the opposite. That is thinking outside the box.The story of Genesis seem to be very outside the box.
Like me, for one.And really there are some who think the big bang could line up with God creating the universe.
Which seems awfully long for an 'omnipotent' being. The Big Bang took less than 1 second, the rest slowly developed over the past 15 billion years. Much better than; "Goddidit!"After all he did it in a few days times.
You don't have to believe it. It isn't vital to survival, but is a nice fact to know about the universe we live in.Of course the only difference is how old the universe is. Another thing that science just guesses on and expects people to believe without actually 100% factual evidence.
No, the sad thing is your complete misrepresentation of the scientific method. Now I know our schools have failed us. I learned this simple concept in the 5th grade.Thinking about it I should become a scientist. After careful analysis I'm going to say the T-Rex could reach the age of 1,000! After more analysis I am claiming the T-Rex fell to earth as space junk, hence why they existed. See how easy it is to make silly claims. Its sad that scientist that make such claims get paid alot to just guess things. You can hire a group of toddlers to make such guesses. To be fair though I really think scientists come together, write down their guesses and shove them into a jar. Then the winner is randomly picked from it!
I can see it now!:
Scientist: Please pick the winner for us Bob!
Bob: ::reachs in and pulls it out:: ::hands it to scientist::
Scientist: The winner and answer to the question of
If you're gonna make an insult, the least you can do is to do it properly."What is the suns internal tempature?" is.... Donkey Kong!...wait a sec... who wrote Donkey King down???
Grabbing at strawmen I see.Anywho since I don't care for endless/pointless debating since I got a life outside the forum (somewhat) I'll just leave everyone with the basic idea of how everything came into being:
Science, first off, makes no claim in regards to the existence of God, you are thinking of atheists -another straw man argument. Get your ists straight!On a side note, if God is not in our realm so to speak then how can science claim he isn't real? Unless you have explored tot he edge of the universe and every realm (so to speak) you can't say God is not real.
the refrain of someone who can't handle people not just swallowing nonsense.Meh. The whole "I need evidence!" thing. I like evidence/facts to but sometimes you have to realize there are some things bigger that just can't be explained by science. And lets face it, we are just humans. How can we claim to know the answer to everything (aside from 42). Just like when it comes to fossil dating and so on. People say its correct just "because it is!". How do you know that.
go read about what supports dating methods pleaseA human who doesn't know everything created a machine that gives us dates based on what we do know. How is that enough to claim it must be right? I've pointed it out before but science has been wrong so many times through history that I don't believe everything it says. The earth isn't flat, lobotomies don't fix people, we CAN fly. When science knows for sure that it knows everything. Then I will believe some of its far fetched ideas.
geez wikipedia could give you the information, there is tons of it, but i doubt you really care.Example people say God isn't real because they can't see him, they need to see him to believe hes real. Why with your big bang theory where is the evidence its real? Do you have a picture? A video? Oh wait, you just go by theories and guessing. >.> Science demands evidence but yet lacks evidence for alot of what it says. I've heard that science is now saying darwin's theory may be flawed. Something that scientists said was 100% true. I guess they spoke to soon. ^.^
how is believing like the majority of the world is "thinking outside the box" and no one who knows what they are talking about says we were created by nothing, or an explosion.Lastly, I often hear atheists tell me "Christians can't think outside the box!". Which makes no sense since its the opposite way around. How is believing we were created by nothing/explosion outside the box? Its like saying "I farted because I was gassy!". How is that somehow logical. Its like hearing a really basic answer.
i see no thinking here, only you spewing creationist propaganda and fallacious unreasoning.To me thinking outside the box means to be creative, something that may be not common thinking. Something that is just bigger then you can imagine. The story of Genesis seem to be very outside the box. And really there are some who think the big bang could line up with God creating the universe. After all he did it in a few days times. Of course the only difference is how old the universe is. Another thing that science just guesses on and expects people to believe without actually 100% factual evidence.
I didn't read your response because after awhile all this gets boring. I use to spends months going back and forth with non believers about various subjects. Just a wasted of time since everyone thinks they are right. Afterall the hardest thing for a person to do is admit their opinion may be wrong.
I didn't read your response because after awhile all this gets boring. I use to spends months going back and forth with non believers about various subjects. Just a wasted of time since everyone thinks they are right. Afterall the hardest thing for a person to do is admit their opinion may be wrong.
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