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Watch who you are calling a bigot, lad.
Now, grow up and be an honourable man, and stop sinning.
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I have read many of your posts and arguments. Let me say one thing, they are ignorant, and judgmental. How can you declare masturbation as a sin when the bible never says it is? Why do you guys always associate masturbation with lust? I definitely can do so without even one lustful though of another woman. Before I was born again (last year) I always accompanied the act of masturbation with lustful thoughts and usually pornographic material. But since i have been born again, I have been given the ability to touch without one lustful thought! Shame on those of you who are making up false things about God's word, judging others, and mocking others. I can't seem to find the verse, but it tells us not to argue with each other also. This is what bothers me as a believer, the other members of the church are so judgmental, they don't show much kindness, they act like (sorry to say)
biggotts (don't know how to spell it lol) and can easily make a non-believer decide not to follow God. Is this the kind of behavior you want the non-believers to see? The word "Christian" means little Christ. I think some of us need to act more like it. By the way, how about we get back on topic.
Sorry if I seemed a little harsh.
Also, Im not declaring the act of masturbation to be rite or wrong.
Im just saying the bible doens't mention it, and if it was so important I think God would have mentioned it somewhere. Remember, there is nothing new under the sun. People masturbated back in the Bible days also.
Actually, He's just looking for people to love. That's why He created us in the first place. All these rules you're promoting have no place in the christian life. If it wouldn't make any sense for you to teach these rules to Adam and Eve, it doesn't make any sense to teach them to me either.
"This is what I was talking about........"This is what I was talking about........
Im just talking about they way you guys were acting toward holo and you were sorta mocking him. And your over all attitude is not very respectful. I didnt say you were bigots, I said you were kind of acting like it.
I just think we should get back on the topic.
if God mentioned something as uncommon as beastuality, don't you think he would mention masturbation which is extremely common?
Maybe its not important? Once again, I am not declaring the act of masturbation in itself to be rite or wrong, I am just asking questions.
Do you have to have God spell everything out to you? If you aren't able to have sex with a ewife, you shopuldn;t be having sex with anyone, least of all yourself.
Get a hobby or a job, son.
If we lkive according to how God wants, we shouldn't have so much time on our hands that we fall into such temptation.
"if God mentioned something as uncommon as beastuality, don't you think he would mention masturbation which is extremely common?"if God mentioned something as uncommon as beastuality, don't you think he would mention masturbation which is extremely common?
Maybe its not important? Once again, I am not declaring the act of masturbation in itself to be rite or wrong, I am just asking questions.
"Im just talking about they way you guys were acting toward holo and you were sorta mocking him."Im just talking about they way you guys were acting toward holo and you were sorta mocking him. And your over all attitude is not very respectful. I didnt say you were bigots, I said you were kind of acting like it.
I just think we should get back on the topic.
"Im just talking about they way you guys were acting toward holo and you were sorta mocking him."
Holo mocks Christians and others who have the audacity to disagree with him. He is rude, antagonistic and sarcastic when the situation doesn't warrant such behavior. Usually when people do this, other people will return the favor. When that happens he cries "foul" and calls people "judgmental".
"And your over all attitude is not very respectful. I didnt say you were bigots, I said you were kind of acting like it."
Hey if you're gonna espouse false doctrine based upon what the Holy Spirit has revealed to me, you can bet your bottom dollar I'm gonna call you on it and there's nothing wrong with that. Non-essential issues in Christianity are open to debate by Christians. Masturbation would be a non-essential issue. Some people are so afraid of being called "judgmental" and other names that they just let the false teachers and doctrines slide. Not me. I'm prepared to be called "arrogant", "judgmental", an "ideological fascist" and anything else you can think of. I don't fear the judgment of man, I fear the judgment of God. One day I will stand before God and give a testimony of all my actions, thoughts and deeds, even the ones in this very thread. I will do so with my head held high, with no regrets, because I am a servant of God and a defender of His word.
"I just think we should get back on the topic."
I do too, but to satisfy the consciences of some in here, I do have to ask you this. Do your parents know you're on here talking to adults about this topic?
And they really shouldn't. The question is wrong from the outset, because it assumes that you are wicked and don't have a clue morally (and indeed a lot of churches do treat their members as if they're completely unable to make good moral judgments). It also takes the focus away from what Christ has already done, and IS doing, which is sufficient, and focuses on ME. But we're not called to look on ourselves, but on HIM.Everyone always asks this: "What Would Jesus Do"?
I haven't really thought of that. It makes no difference to me.Do you think Jesus would touch?
What does masturbation have to do with that?Do you see any evidence in the Bible of Jesus living for Himself or rather do you see evidence of Him putting aside what He may have wanted to do and doing what His father had commanded Him to do? I see the latter and never the former.
Here is the answer: Masturbation is not a sin.Im just curious about the answer to this topic, but I don't get any answers and I get talked down to by floating axe and zecryphon. Maybe I shouldn't have put up my age.
I know those things are wrong completely regardless of the law.Remember, the law doesn't work alone. It works in conjunction with your conscience too and the Holy Spirit as well. Because of the law I know it is wrong to steal, murder, worship false idols, take the name of the Lord God in vain, commit adultery, covet, etc.
I know a lot of people who live more moral lives than most Christians I've met. But they are atheists and muslims and new-agers and whatnot. However good they behave, it'll never be pleasing to God.By not doing these things that God has commanded are wicked, I live a life that is pleasing to God
The intentions would be good, but the results will suffer. Because when you try to live according to the law, YOU are left to achieve things. Living in faith, on the other hand, lets Christ GIVE you victory, it lets Him prepare the works FOR you, it lets HIM live. Living according to law is actually the opposite of dying to ourselves. Also, the commandment is the power of sin, so the more you try to live according to the law, the easier it is to be caught in the sin that the law prohibits. It happened with the first forbidden apple, and it still happens to believers everywhere today. When the commandment comes, sin springs to life.Only if you're going back to the law to earn your way to Heaven. If you're living a law guided life out of thankfulness to God, that is not wrong.
What rules did God have for Adam and Eve's lives? Aside from being fruitful, the only commandment was to NOT learn about right and wrong. Again, the law was never meant for righteous people.Dying to yourself means dying to your rules for your life and adopting God's rules for your life. Living for Him.
I won't be judged according to some moral law. Or, if I am, I will be declared righteous.You just don't get it. You can not comprehend the fact that if you are not born again that when you die, you will be judged by God's moral law.
So you figure we are to be guided by it. But I've never seen a christian even try to follow the law. Instead, they take only part of the law, and construct a bunch of new commandments from the NT.He said Himself that not one letter, jot or tittle of the law would be set aside until He came again.
No, actually the law was meant to make SIN exceedingly SINFUL. And that's what it does.The law is your guide to living a life that is pleasing to God.
No, he extended grace as soon as he saw his son.Right, when the father started talking to the son he saw that the son was broken and sorry for his actions. He extended grace in that case, not the law.
Good! The law is for the wicked and the ungodly. I'm born again, I am in Him and He is in me. He IS my life. What rules, exactly, should I need in my life? What rules do YOU need to have in your life?But I don't see that attitude of humility or thankfulness to God reflected in what you write. I don't see that you have any need for God's rules in your life
If someone saves your life, will you ask the guy for some rules you can follow in order to show your gratitude?and that is not the attitude of someone who is thankful and loving towards the very God that saved him.
Yes, and when we try to tell them how God sees things, we portray him as an angry judge.Exactly. Because they're fueled by pride and rebellion and ignorance about how holy and just God is. They only see it from their side, never from God's side.
Actually, that's God's idea too. Jesus let the adulterous woman go. He said "go and sin no more" - do you think she never sinned again? If she went straight back to a life in whoredom, do you think Jesus would regret what He did? Barabbas, too, was let go. He represents us.The only people who fear an angry boss or a judge are the people who have angered him in the first place. Everyone knows they've done stuff to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] off God. Their warped idea of love though is for God to let them go.
Unlike a human judge's love, God's love actually transforms people.Even though they're career crimminals. If a judge just let a career crimminal go back out into the world to commit more crimes, because he was a loving person, what would you think of that judge?
God is a father more than a judge. And He HAS judged sin. He did that on the cross. The punishment was laid on HIM.Would you think He was just and doing his duty, which is to punish law breakers and uphold the law?
Yes, in order to FOLLOW Christ you would actually have to do all those tings and pick up your cross etc. But that's not the way we are supposed to follow Him. Because now, He has already picked up the cross, and we are DEAD. His burden is LIGHT and His yoke is EASY. Jesus IS good and DOES good, and He's never good to us in order that we shall do this or perform that or please him here or achieve somthing there. Jesus does good because of WHO HE IS, not because of what we deserve or are able to give in return. God is LOVE.What I'm saying is that He distances Himself from people who only wanted what they could get from Him. Jesus wanted people to take up their cross and follow Him. Remember what He said to the people who wanted to go home and get their affairs in order before coming to follow Him?
That's my point - they will raise new buildings and walk right past the hobos and the beggars.But a new building fund isn't the same as being a social outreach center.
I have nothing against rules per se, but I prefer life. Christ didn't come to give us rules, but LIFE. And life is to KNOW HIM.God has given you rules for how you can serve Him and live a life that is pleasing to Him and you want nothing to do with any of that. Is it the word "rules" you don't like?
Well, I never say God has commanded me to follow rules, so no worryThen just tell others I do what God has commanded me to do. But don't be surprised if someone sees a discrepancy in your actions and what God has commanded people to do and not do, and then call you on it, not out of judgment, but out of love for your own well being.
True, I do what I please. And what do I please? To do good. To worship the Lord. To share the good news.See? It's not about living for God or by the rules He has set down for your life, but living for yourself and doing what you please.
It's not just me and God, though. I have neighbours too. But I don't live FOR anything or anyone. I live IN the Lord.If you're not living for God, you're living for yourself. It really is that black and white.
Oh yes, I most definately am! He saw that it was GOOD.Oh I hope you're not holding up Adam and Eve as the pillars of living lives that are pleasing to God.
Yes, because they made the choice to eat from the law tree. They shouldn't have, and I won't do the same mistake.Didn't all this trouble start with them?
What should they need the ten commandments for?Plus you have no way of proving the claim that the 10 Commandments would not make sense to Adam and Eve.
Yes. To be fruitful and multiply.They knew exactly what God expected them to do.
Exactly. It was satan who made them aware of law and sin and nakedness.It's when they sat under a false teacher, Satan, that their troubles began.
What does it look like?Yeah, see that's the thing, from what you've written here, the fruits in your life don't look like good fruit.
It is, if you use it to measure and determine the faith of others. God has GIVEN each of us faith according to HIS OWN measure. Not according to a creed."Yes, and that's pretty much the problem."
A statement of faith or beliefs is hardly a problem.
Well, "he went and hanged himself" is straight out of scripture too, but that doesn't make it useful or even sensible.Well then your problem is the source material. The source material for the creeds is the Bible. They are not scripture, but they are scriptural.
He has defined Himself in Christ, not in a book. In a person. The book describes God in many ways, but the only way to actually KNOW God, is to MEET Him.He has defined Himself in His written word to mankind.
Why must a child realize why they have a dad and understand the family unit? Don't you let you kids be just kids? The fact that we understand family dynamics and whatnot when we grow older is a bonus, not a requirement for being a child.Yes children must realize why they need a dad, it's part of having a complete understanding of the family unit and how things are supposed to work.
God Himself did.You can't compare a flawed human relationship with your earthly father with your Father in Heaven.
Maybe so, and maybe by not stealing I have also kept Egyptian law. I am as much a subject to Egyptian law as I am to the ten commandments.if you love your Father in Heaven, you are not going to take His name in vain, you are not going to love anything more than Him, and look at that, by showing your love to your neighbor and your Father in Heaven in these ways and a few more, you have kept the 10 Commandments.
The point isn't to keep commandments, but to love.And why did you do it? Not to get into Heaven or earn something from God, but becaue you love Him.
And you fear I may be dishonest about myself because I don't share you exact understanding of things - you can assume the best about me until it turns out we're not exactly the same. We disagree on MY use for the law, and you begin talking about immoral brothers and wolves in sheep's clothing...The Bible tells us to be discerning. It tells us to be on the lookout for false teachers and wolves in sheep's clothing. It tells us to also cast out our immoral brothers. It tells us to judge those within the church body. So everything that you think is so unfair that has happened to you here, is actually commanded by God in His written word. We can assume the best about people until we have reason to not believe they are who they say they are.
Hehe! No offense, but I'm getting a laugh out of stuff like that.Your posts have raised serious concerns with some people on this board, we are attempting to find out if our concerns are valid
No. There are as many ways to Christ as there are people.All roads lead home then?
Almost as fine as your sarcasmUniversalism at it's finest.
Hey if you're gonna espouse false doctrine based upon what the Holy Spirit has revealed to me, you can bet your bottom dollar I'm gonna call you on it and there's nothing wrong with that.
Huh???
Oh I don't know if you read my other message, I realized Holo was mocking a bit too. Of course my parents don't know that im talking to adults about this topic. My friends don't have the answer. The Bible doens't say for sure. And im not sure if the Holy Spirit is convicting me. And I definitely would NOT ask my parents this question. Can you say embarassing?
What rules?Adam and Eve had rules too!
Oh, but He blesses me abundantly all the time. Not because I've performed something in partucular or that I somehow deserve it, but because I am in Christ. He blesses both of us for the exact same reason - we are His children.There are rules to live by, if you would bother to read the Word. If you aren't serving God, then don't expect Him to bless you.
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