Is touching yourself a sin? (2)

[gtsecc]

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[threeinone]

Might have to disagree with you on that point, although I don't know if you just mean specifically sins committed by Christians. Without Christ, any sin will stop us getting into heaven, no matter how trivial a sin in our eyes, and those are very easy to commit.

How do you arrive that there is sin without Christ? It is because we accept Jesus as our Savior that there is sin, or that we believe in God that there is sin. People who don't believe in Christ don't have a concept of sin. That belongs to us.

 

[threeinone]

I disagree, the issue with masturbation is a lust issue. I would almost go so far as to say that lust is the main issue regarding masturbation if we are looking at reasons for it to be wrong.

There are two issues that you are talking about. One is masturbation. The other is lust. One is not a sin and is not even mentioned in any way in the bible and that is masturbation (NOT IN THE BIBLE IN ANY WAY). The other, lust, is in the bible and is a sin. They are two separate things. They can be put together and then masturbating becomes a sin. Separate as they are, masturbation is not a sin. If people concentrated more on the good things in life and less on sin, the good could take over the bad. Sin is so much on our minds that we can think of little else. I think that is very sad.

 

[Quantos]

O.T. Wow this Thread Split

EDIT: Also so I keep following it .

 

[PastorMikeJ]

yup it is a sin...not only a sin but will make you go blind...

 

[threeinone]

yup it is a sin...not only a sin but will make you go blind...

Help, I can't see

 

[Gukkor]

yup it is a sin...not only a sin but will make you go blind...

Not only that, but it will give you hairy palms, AIDS and turn you into a homosexual.

 

[threeinone]

Not only that, but it will give you hairy palms, AIDS and turn you into a homosexual.

And if you are a woman, a patch of thick black hair will grow between your breasts

No kidding....I read that at a site but I can't find it anywhere else and there was tons more

 

[threeinone]

t's true that Jesus doesn't want us to lust because lust often consumes our ability to LOVE the right way and view women as our sisters.....

Being horny isn't a sin though.

Is there a difference between lust and horniness?

;-b

There is a big difference between lust and horniness. The latter is just a bodily response to something. Lust is, well I will go fetch the definition as I can't do it justice. It is grievious. Intense, etc. was what I was looking for.

lust (l

st) n. 1. Intense or unrestrained sexual craving.
2. a. An overwhelming desire or craving: a lust for power.
b. Intense eagerness or enthusiasm: a lust for life.

3. Obsolete Pleasure; relish.

intr.v. lust·ed, lust·ing, lusts To have an intense or obsessive desire, especially one that is sexual.

 

[decadencia]

1 Cor 9:27 No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

Yes i know this out of context :/, but i see you are all in a rather light mood with the whole hairy palms deal. Really for me its a self control, i will subject my body to my minds will not the other way around. Im not trying to guilt anyway but im prepared to be flamed.

 

[threeinone]

1 Cor 9:27 No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

Yes i know this out of context :/, but i see you are all in a rather light mood with the whole hairy palms deal. Really for me its a self control, i will subject my body to my minds will not the other way around. Im not trying to guilt anyway but im prepared to be flamed.

LOL......did you watch the Da Vinci Code or read it. Those guys wrapped spikes around their thighs and pulled them tight to dig in and draw blood and whipped their backs bloody. Strange stuff. I personally would prefer masturbating. Good grief......what were we given sexual desire for.....only married people. I don't think so. Now I must admit that to keep one's body pure is good, but there are limits to everything. Moderation in everything...even moderation in restrictions on sex.

 

[cardinalbunal]

Again and again the point is ANYTHING that makes Christ second in your life or turns your attention away from Him is sin... I say this because jacking off can be helluva lotta fun (in a worldly way) and distract you from living a chaste Christian life...

 

[Wisdom's Child]

LOL......did you watch the Da Vinci Code or read it. Those guys wrapped spikes around their thighs and pulled them tight to dig in and draw blood and whipped their backs bloody. Strange stuff. I personally would prefer masturbating. Good grief......what were we given sexual desire for.....only married people. I don't think so. Now I must admit that to keep one's body pure is good, but there are limits to everything. Moderation in everything...even moderation in restrictions on sex.

Now that this thread has a new beginning, I would like to jump in.

1 Corinthians 7:1-4
Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

Sexual Desire is something that can only be truely satisfied in the marriage bed, as it was intended.
Man was not created to be alone, neither was Woman.
The modern teaching of women having control over their own bodies is not Biblical.
"Your" body, which you have power over is that of your husbands.
My dear, you are denying some poor man out there "his body" as well.

1 Corinthians 7:8-9
I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

If it is not possible to ignore your cravings and you "burn" with sexual desire (lust) then you need to be in a marriage (covenant) relationship with a man who can address those issues for you.

And yes if it poses such a difficulty to resist, and your body "burns" for release then it is Lust.

 

[threeinone]

Now that this thread has a new beginning, I would like to jump in.


Sexual Desire is something that can only be truely satisfied in the marriage bed, as it was intended.
Man was not created to be alone, neither was Woman.
The modern teaching of women having control over their own bodies is not Biblical.
"Your" body, which you have power over is that of your husbands.
My dear, you are denying some poor man out there "his body" as well.


If it is not possible to ignore your cravings and you "burn" with sexual desire (lust) then you need to be in a marriage (covenant) relationship with a man who can address those issues for you.

And yes if it poses such a difficulty to resist, and your body "burns" for release then it is Lust.

Let every woman have her own husband LOL....provide me one and I won't need to touch.

There isn't a woman for every man and there isn't a man for every woman.

And "do not let a man touch a woman"....why not?

 

[Gukkor]

1 Cor 9:27 No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

Yes i know this out of context :/, but i see you are all in a rather light mood with the whole hairy palms deal. Really for me its a self control, i will subject my body to my minds will not the other way around. Im not trying to guilt anyway but im prepared to be flamed.

I agree. I don't believe that there is anything wrong with masturbation, but if one is going to do it, it had better be because they choose to, not because they feel compelled to by bodily urges they feel they can't control.

By the same token, however, is it really self-control to shun masturbation like the plague? To me, at least, it seems that doing is more of a wise acknowledgement of one's lack of self-control. I would think that the person with the greatest self-control is the one who is able to enjoy masturbation without becoming attached to it. In this way, the body is truly mastered by the mind; one can touch, or not, and either way the choice is not dictated by one's base impulses.

By the way, just in case you take this post the wrong way, I'm not trying to flame you or imply anything about you or anything like that. I'm just speaking in general terms and using your post as a springboard, that's all.

 

[jeffinco]

There are two issues that you are talking about. One is masturbation. The other is lust. One is not a sin and is not even mentioned in any way in the bible and that is masturbation (NOT IN THE BIBLE IN ANY WAY). The other, lust, is in the bible and is a sin. They are two separate things. They can be put together and then masturbating becomes a sin. Separate as they are, masturbation is not a sin. If people concentrated more on the good things in life and less on sin, the good could take over the bad. Sin is so much on our minds that we can think of little else. I think that is very sad.

yes but how can one possably touch without lusting? obviously you have to be thinking about someone naked, or doing something sexual to another person, so i dont see how you can touch without sinning.

 

[Gukkor]

yes but how can one possably touch without lusting? obviously you have to be thinking about someone naked, or doing something sexual to another person, so i dont see how you can touch without sinning.

No, not obviously. Why does the act of masturbating have to be connected with lustful thoughts (or any thoughts, for that matter)? Furthermore, what is a lustful thought? What is lust?

And so, we come back to the exact discussions I'm sure happened at the beginning of this thread.

 

[MoonlightParade]

you cant touch without sinning, but it isnt the accually masturbation that is the sin. they do go hand in hand, but masturbation isnt even mentioned in the bible, however Lust is...

 

[jeffinco]

No, not obviously. Why does the act of masturbating have to be connected with lustful thoughts (or any thoughts, for that matter)? Furthermore, what is a lustful thought? What is lust?

And so, we come back to the exact discussions I'm sure happened at the beginning of this thread.

how is it possable to touch without sinning? if you know the answer to that, please share and you will solve about 95percent of ministers problems.

 

[MoonlightParade]

dude your wrong for that, but it was funny, ya