Is Tithing Binding To Modern Christian ?

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Are we expected to pay Tithes(10%) today ? Provide scriptural support.

 

[StormyOne]

no.... not binding.... despite the pleas from the pulpit suggesting that we do...

 

[ricker]

no.... not binding.... despite the pleas from the pulpit suggesting that we do...

You're right. People can use 10% as a guideline if they wish to.


6Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.
7Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that always having all sufficiency in everything, you may have an abundance for every good deed;

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Are we expected to pay Tithes(10&#37 today ? Provide scriptural support.

No, believers are not expected to pay a tithe of 10% (unless that happens to be the amount that the person feels compelled to give). Rather, beleivers are expected to provide gifts that come from a spirit of gratitude and not a spirit of obligation (see Mark 12:35-43 and 1 Corinthians 16:2).

SDAism and Methodism divide the old covenant law into two man-made groups labeled as "ceremonial" or "moral." Ceremonial laws were nailed to the cross and moral laws remain. SDAism and Methodism teach that tithing laws remain. Based on this, should we conclude that tithing laws are "moral?" If so, why would we conclude that tithing laws are moral?

BFA

 

[StormyOne]

No, believers are not expected to pay a tithe of 10% (unless that happens to be the amount that the person feels compelled to give). Rather, beleivers are expected to provide gifts that come from a spirit of gratitude and not a spirit of obligation (see Mark 12:35-43 and 1 Corinthians 16:2).

SDAism and Methodism divide the old covenant law into two man-made groups labeled as "ceremonial" or "moral." Ceremonial laws were nailed to the cross and moral laws remain. SDAism and Methodism teach that tithing laws remain. Based on this, should we conclude that tithing laws are "moral?" If so, why would we conclude that tithing laws are moral?

BFA

no need to go through all of that BFA, tithing is not binding, so to determine whether its moral or not is moot.... Likewise perhaps the artificial division between ceremonial and moral laws needs to be dropped....

 

[Byfaithalone1]

no need to go through all of that BFA, tithing is not binding, so to determine whether its moral or not is moot.... Likewise perhaps the artificial division between ceremonial and moral laws needs to be dropped....

I think so too.

I find it interesting the way that denominations which support the man-made division of old covenant laws arbitrarily pick and choose which laws fit into which category.

BFA

 

[Sophia7]

I think so too.

I find it interesting the way that denominations which support the man-made division of old covenant laws arbitrarily pick and choose which laws fit into which category.

BFA

So do I. They also pick and choose in regard to how they think those laws should be kept.

 

[Avonia]

No, believers are not expected to pay a tithe of 10% (unless that happens to be the amount that the person feels compelled to give). Rather, beleivers are expected to provide gifts that come from a spirit of gratitude and not a spirit of obligation (see Mark 12:35-43 and 1 Corinthians 16:2).

I've wondered what karma I've accrued by continuing to help finance the SDA church. I've done it because I think sometimes we compromise for a time to help an organization or community span the gap. But I also struggle with how this balances with enabling the status quo.

For me the question is not whether we are required to pay tithe, but how things move toward us, through us, and into the world.

 

[kittn1]

No, the tithe isn't binding on us today: God is more concerned that we give with a right heart.

2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Similarly, there's nothing forbidding us to tithe either, and it remains true that we cannot outgive God.

Incidentally, tithing predates the law:

Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Ge 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Ge 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

 

[StormyOne]

If God owns everything why would he need our small sum of money? Let's be clear, we are not giving money to God....

 

[DRL]

No, the tithe isn't binding on us today: God is more concerned that we give with a right heart.

2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Similarly, there's nothing forbidding us to tithe either, and it remains true that we cannot outgive God.

Incidentally, tithing predates the law:

Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Ge 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Ge 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

That was not a mandatory law. That was a gift from Abraham to Melchizedek that was taken from what he had taken from his enemies.
DRL

 

[Byfaithalone1]

No, the tithe isn't binding on us today: God is more concerned that we give with a right heart.

2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Similarly, there's nothing forbidding us to tithe either, and it remains true that we cannot outgive God.

Incidentally, tithing predates the law:

Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Ge 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Ge 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Tithing is introduced in Leviticus 27 and is very much an old covenant concept.

Now, for those who believe that the old covenant laws were divided into categories, is tithing a moral law or a ceremonial law.

[BFA hears crickets chirping . . . .]

BFA

 

[Avonia]

Tithing is introduced in Leviticus 27 and is very much an old covenant concept.

Now, for those who believe that the old covenant laws were divided into categories, is tithing a moral law or a ceremonial law.

[BFA hears crickets chirping . . . .]

BFA

That's because most of those who would take you up on this are not on the P/M/F Adventist forum. And some of the rest of us think it's not a very interesting question.

Man's law are to be followed. God's laws simply Are.

 

[kittn1]

If God owns everything why would he need our small sum of money? Let's be clear, we are not giving money to God....

You're right, He certainly doesn't need our money! He owns the cattle on a thousand hills! (Psalm 50:10) But when we give an offering, (regardless of the amount), it's for our benefit that we would take a moment and remember Who has provided for our needs and thank Him!

We are returning to Him a portion of what He has graciously given to us.

 

[StormyOne]

We are not returning to "Him" anything.... I have never seen God accept nor say thanks for offering given....

 

[kittn1]

I respectfully disagree, StormyOne. God owns it all; it is we who should be thanking Him for His gracious provision.


Pr 3:7 ¶ Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Pr 3:8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.
Pr 3:9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
Pr 3:10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

Personally, I can't afford NOT to tithe. Try as I may, I cannot outgive God. He just keeps pouring out the blessing!
Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Mal 3:11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.

In the words of Jesus:

Lu 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Again, we're not commanded to tithe in the church age, but we're not forbidden to either. How much to give, if anything, is a choice the individual makes before God.

 

[StormyOne]

I respectfully disagree, StormyOne. God owns it all; it is we who should be thanking Him for His gracious provision.


Pr 3:7 ¶ Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Pr 3:8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.
Pr 3:9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
Pr 3:10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

Personally, I can't afford NOT to tithe. Try as I may, I cannot outgive God. He just keeps pouring out the blessing!
Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Mal 3:11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.

In the words of Jesus:

Lu 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Again, we're not commanded to tithe in the church age, but we're not forbidden to either. How much to give, if anything, is a choice the individual makes before God.

Are you suggesting that God wrote that? Or are you saying that someone is speaking for God?

 

[kittn1]

As a Christian, StormyOne, do you not believe that the Bible is God's Word?

 

[StormyOne]

As a Christian, StormyOne, do you not believe that the Bible is God's Word?

As a christian I do not believe that God wrote the bible, thus it cannot be "the word of God." There is no indication that he did. As a christian I believe that the bible is the words of inspired men about God.

 

[kittn1]

As a christian I do not believe that God wrote the bible, thus it cannot be "the word of God." There is no indication that he did. As a christian I believe that the bible is the words of inspired men about God.

Thanks for the response.