Is this what they call "Orthodox?"

[InSpiritInTruth]

I just saw this "Orthodox" prayer on another thread, here's the prayer...

"O blessed Theotokos, open the doors of compassion to us whose hope is in you, that we may not perish but be delivered from adversity through you, who are the salvation of the Christian people."

Is this idea of Mary being the salvation of the Christian people really "Orthodox?"

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I just saw this "Orthodox" prayer on another thread, here's the prayer...

"O blessed Theotokos, open the doors of compassion to us whose hope is in you, that we may not perish but be delivered from adversity through you, who are the salvation of the Christian people."

Is this idea of Mary being the salvation of the Christian people really "Orthodox?"

it developed during a church council . that Jesus is not the Jesus of salvation unless he's a human born having a mother . so the mother of God, though phrased awkwardly for protestants and those who divided from them over the centuries .. is really saying Jesus who had Mary as his mom. it's essential to believe Jesus is a human in addition to saying he is 100% God at the same time . so this was integrated deeply into the religious expression of the ancient faiths to cover this end of it due to common gnostic teachings that Jesus was a ghost with supernatural powers .

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I just saw this "Orthodox" prayer on another thread, here's the prayer...

"O blessed Theotokos, open the doors of compassion to us whose hope is in you, that we may not perish but be delivered from adversity through you, who are the salvation of the Christian people."

Is this idea of Mary being the salvation of the Christian people really "Orthodox?"

lt is.. but not to be taken out of the context from where it comes.

Are you asking for an explanation or just wanting to heckle us?

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I don't think this prayer needs any explanation, as it's pretty straight forward claiming Mary to be the salvation of the Christian people; which is nothing short of blasphemy.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I don't think this prayer needs any explanation, as it's pretty straight forward claiming Mary to be the salvation of the Christian people; which is nothing short of blasphemy.

well as you have judged . so will you be .

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I've been given the power to tread on serpents.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I've been given the power to tread on serpents.

just saying . remember this later . God's dealings have a way of showing us our reflection .

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Are you asking for an explanation or just wanting to heckle us?

I don't think this prayer needs any explanation, as it's pretty straight forward claiming Mary to be the salvation of the Christian people; which is nothing short of blasphemy.

Guess that answers my question.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

just saying . remember this later . God's dealings have a way of showing us our reflection .

Yea, and the Lord also exposes the shame of peoples nakedness.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yea, and the Lord also exposes the shame of peoples nakedness.

Yeah the revelation is a good guide for that process . the word for revelation also means to make naked . probably why the process is so traumatic for some .

 

[Tigger45]

It's really important to understand how a phrase is being used before judgement is pronounced.

Let me give you an example;

If a student from the UK goes up to the front of the class and asks the teacher for a rubber they are referring to a pencil eraser. But if a student from the U.S. does the same thing it has a whole different meaning.

I guess that's why in our Lord's omniscience and grace He judges the intentions of our hearts.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

If you're drowning in a lake, and a woman, whom cannot swim, hears your cries for help, and runs and takes hold somebody that can swin and can save you, is she not your savior in a sense?

If I need life saving surgery, and if the doctor operating on me is successful, he is indeed my savior. That does not make him my God nor my Lord and Savior in the sense of Jesus as Lord and Savior.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Hey, you can come up with all the cute metaphors you like to try to justify this belief but the plain truth is this, proclaiming Mary as the salvation of the Christian people is Blasphemy.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Not in proper context. You're forcing the prayer to say that Mary is our savior in the sense that Jesus is our Savior.

What does Revelation 17:3 have to do with this topic?

"The great harlot is Rome, the empire with its claims of divinity, sovereignty, and eternity, opposed to God and the Church..." TOSB, Rev 17:1

"The woman's position on the beast shows the Roman system supported by the Antichrist-emperor. The names of blasphemy may be the divine titles assumed by the emperors." TOSB, Rev 17:3

 

[PreachersWife2004]

lt is.. but not to be taken out of the context from where it comes.

Are you asking for an explanation or just wanting to heckle us?

God be gracious to me a sinner.

So what then is the context?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Not in proper context. You're forcing the prayer to say that Mary is our savior in the sense that Jesus is our Savior.

What does Revelation 17:3 have to do with this topic?

"The great harlot is Rome, the empire with its claims of divinity, sovereignty, and eternity, opposed to God and the Church..." TOSB, Rev 17:1

"The woman's position on the beast shows the Roman system supported by the Antichrist-emperor. The names of blasphemy may be the divine titles assumed by the emperors." TOSB, Rev 17:3

I'm not forcing anything, just exposing the darkness. And by the way, the Harlot is not Rome.

 

[prodromos]

So what then is the context?

I'm fairly certain the OP found the prayer in a thread about that prayer in The Ancient Way forum, where the context was explained clearly. The fact that the OP did not provide a link to the thread says a lot about his intent.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The fact that the OP did not provide a link to the thread says a lot about his intent.

My intent is not a secret, as I said I'm just exposing the darkness, and also tearing down the strong holds of Satan.

2 Corinthians 10:4-5

King James Version (KJV)

4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

 

[prodromos]

I believe this is the thread the OP is referring to.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7804379/

Please take note of the subforum rules before posting in that thread. If you wish to respond in the manner of the OP then please keep your response in his thread.