Is This The New Normal?

[rjs330]

Exactly, they were sent there, we took them, and wanted them. They’re there now. Just because you’re mad the world didn’t implode by bussing them there and you want them back to deport them doesn’t mean they need to be sent back. You admit yourself, they knew sending them there that they were sanctuary cities and once there getting them back would be difficult. It’s why they were sent there.

Except in places where all those illegals ARE causing a lot of problems. At least we know where rhe illegals are and we can go get them. And since those cities are not assisting then I guess you'll just have to put up with the home depot raids. If you really want Trump to focus on the criminals then perhaps you ought to be telling him when you put a criminal illegal in jail. That way they can come get them and maybe leave home depot alone.

Because Republicans sent them there. They were told this would happen and they sent them anyway.

Yes because Biden wasnt going to come get them. So they had a choice, keep them or send them away. They sent them away to places who said they would take them. Except many of these places complained very loudly about it. A crisis they called it. No housing or services for them. And now we are finding out just how badly the taxpayers are being fleeced for this. Illegals getting better treatment than our own citizens.

 

[BCP1928]

Except in places where all those illegals ARE causing a lot of problems. At least we know where rhe illegals are and we can go get them. And since those cities are not assisting then I guess you'll just have to put up with the home depot raids. If you really want Trump to focus on the criminals then perhaps you ought to be telling him when you put a criminal illegal in jail. That way they can come get them and maybe leave home depot alone.

Why not raid the big farms and inusrial sites where most of them work? The men hanging around at places like Lowe's are the fringe of that labor force, looking for small-time building or landscaping contractors to hire them on a day labor basis.

Yes because Biden wasnt going to come get them. So they had a choice, keep them or send them away. They sent them away to places who said they would take them. Except many of these places complained very loudly about it. A crisis they called it. No housing or services for them. And now we are finding out just how badly the taxpayers are being fleeced for this. Illegals getting better treatment than our own citizens.

 

[rjs330]

Why not raid the big farms and inusrial sites where most of them work?

I think they should. I would.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Except in places where all those illegals ARE causing a lot of problems. At least we know where rhe illegals are and we can go get them. And since those cities are not assisting then I guess you'll just have to put up with the home depot raids. If you really want Trump to focus on the criminals then perhaps you ought to be telling him when you put a criminal illegal in jail. That way they can come get them and maybe leave home depot alone.

I’m in New England in a sanctuary city. We aren’t putting up with it. When ICE arrives, we interfere. It’s working great for us and we continue to do it so ICE isn’t coming all that much anymore.

If they want to find a criminal to put in jail, I can find one with 34 felonies to his name they can grab.

Yes because Biden wasnt going to come get them. So they had a choice, keep them or send them away. They sent them away to places who said they would take them. Except many of these places complained very loudly about it. A crisis they called it. No housing or services for them. And now we are finding out just how badly the taxpayers are being fleeced for this. Illegals getting better treatment than our own citizens.

You need to work on the spin you’re putting on this story to arrive at some consistency. A minute ago, it was that the cities were harboring them, preventing ICE from getting them, liberals support criminals, blah blah blah. Now you’re saying the cities didn’t want them, taxpayers are upset they’re being fleeced, and their arrival is a crisis they’re grappling with.

So which is it? They’re preventing ICE from getting them because they want them to stay or they don’t want them and the world is crumbling around their ears?

Better go check with Fox News, find out what you’re supposed to all be saying and thinking on this topic and then get back to us. Have to make sure you get the spin right before you repeat it back as your raison d'être.

 

[rjs330]

I’m in New England in a sanctuary city. We aren’t putting up with it. When ICE arrives, we interfere. It’s working great for us and we continue to do it so ICE isn’t coming all that much anymore.

Thats too bad. Hopefully in the future things will change and ICE will decide to do their job there as well. We have 3 1/2 years left.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Thats too bad. Hopefully in the future things will change and ICE will decide to do their job there as well. We have 3 1/2 years left.

We will happily be a problem for as many years as we need to. Oldest sanctuary city in our state, we’re happy to do it.

 

[public hermit]

I don't see the issue with sanctuary cities. Doesn't it just mean local resources will not be used to support a federal task? I'm all for that. If the feds want to do something, they can figure out how to do that with the taxes we pay them. Local taxes should be used for local tasks. It's strange, but not surprising these days, that conservatives would want anything short of that.

My goodness, I'm more conservative than MAGA conservatives. There's just not enough coffee for this world.

 

[A New Dawn]

I don't see the issue with sanctuary cities. Doesn't it just mean local resources will not be used to support a federal task? I'm all for that. If the feds want to do something, they can figure out how to do that with the taxes we pay them. Local taxes should be used for local tasks. It's strange, but not surprising these days, that conservatives would want anything short of that.

My goodness, I'm more conservative than MAGA conservatives. There's just not enough coffee for this world.

The issue with sanctuary cities, for me, isn’t the issue with who should spend their resources tracking the people down and detaining them, but that they don’t even believe that they should use their own resources to track them down and detain them when they have violated local and state crimes. And before anyone says ‘that never happens’, let me just say it happens all the time. There were major stories about illegal aliens who had several pages of arrests who were allowed out to commit more crimes just a couple years ago.

And once they have been arrested and detained for committing local and state crimes, does it really cost any extra money to place a telephone call to the local CBP or ICE office to inform them they have a law violating illegal alien in custody? This nonsense of “why should we spend state money to help the feds” is just that. Nonsense. And it just goes to show that the issue isn’t really about law and order as much as it is about the illegal population that the left depends on to increase their representation in the government. They’d rather their taxpaying citizens be in jeopardy than take actions that would keep them safe.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The issue with sanctuary cities, for me, isn’t the issue with who should spend their resources tracking the people down and detaining them, but that they don’t even believe that they should use their own resources to track them down and detain them when they have violated local and state crimes.

That's just baloney. Whether they get bail or light sentences or whatever is up to the courts, but these people's crimes are not being ignored.

And once they have been arrested and detained for committing local and state crimes, does it really cost any extra money to place a telephone call to the local CBP or ICE office to inform them they have a law violating illegal alien in custody?

It doesn't cost anything to place a phone call to report that a victim is here illegally, either. These locales have passed laws that forbid all of these interactions in order to ensure that everyone feels safe reporting crimes, and everyone arrested faces justice rather than being deported without any punishment.

 

[public hermit]

The issue with sanctuary cities, for me, isn’t the issue with who should spend their resources tracking the people down and detaining them, but that they don’t even believe that they should use their own resources to track them down and detain them when they have violated local and state crimes

Perhaps there are instances where they don't help pursue criminals, but I think they generally cooperate in cases of major crimes. But that is part of the use of local taxes, local crime. I think it's best to let the feds do their thing with their funds, and let our local taxes stay focused on local tasks.

 

[A New Dawn]

That's just baloney. Whether they get bail or light sentences or whatever is up to the courts, but these people's crimes are not being ignored.

It doesn't cost anything to place a phone call to report that a victim is here illegally, either. These locales have passed laws that forbid all of these interactions in order to ensure that everyone feels safe reporting crimes, and everyone arrested faces justice rather than being deported without any punishment.

Contrary to leftist propaganda, nobody is deported prior to receiving due process and just punishment.

And I don’t buy the bit that people are oh soo worried that the illegal aliens won’t face justice if they are reported. The only place they are not facing justice in is the local and state arena. Bail and light sentences for repeated violent criminal activity are the epitome of the issue being ignored.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Contrary to leftist propaganda, nobody is deported prior to receiving due process and just punishment.

The Trump Administration has charged Kilmar Abrego Garcia with human trafficking, but is seeking to deport him to Uganda (after having already deported him accidentally to El Salvador).

That's just one high profile case, but contrary to rightwing propaganda, ICE has been deporting suspects and witnesses in criminal cases, leading to the suspects escaping justice.

ICE adopts new tactic: Deport before court, removing people facing criminal charges​

Suspects and witnesses are being deported without justice being served, prosecutors and legal experts say.​

Some suspects in violent assaults and sex crimes are escaping American justice because they're being deported before they can stand trial, according to a number of prosecutors and legal experts across the country.

Across the country, prosecutors, defense attorneys and legal observers say they've seen an uptick in ICE agents choosing to deport criminal suspects, instead of keeping them in custody and producing them for local court proceedings.

"It's not only undermining to the justice system but also impacting community safety," said Adams County District Attorney Brian Mason, who serves a suburban area northeast of Denver.

 

[A New Dawn]

The Trump Administration has charged Kilmar Abrego Garcia with human trafficking, but is seeking to deport him to Uganda (after having already deported him accidentally to El Salvador).

That's just one high profile case, but contrary to rightwing propaganda, ICE has been deporting suspects and witnesses in criminal cases, leading to the suspects escaping justice.

ICE adopts new tactic: Deport before court, removing people facing criminal charges​

Suspects and witnesses are being deported without justice being served, prosecutors and legal experts say.​

Some suspects in violent assaults and sex crimes are escaping American justice because they're being deported before they can stand trial, according to a number of prosecutors and legal experts across the country.

Across the country, prosecutors, defense attorneys and legal observers say they've seen an uptick in ICE agents choosing to deport criminal suspects, instead of keeping them in custody and producing them for local court proceedings.

"It's not only undermining to the justice system but also impacting community safety," said Adams County District Attorney Brian Mason, who serves a suburban area northeast of Denver.

Kilmer Garcia had previous deportation orders that said he could be deported to any place except El Salvador because his life was in danger from a rival gang. That rival gang is now defunct and so there was no practical reason he couldn’t be deported back to El Salvador anymore. The original deportation order wasn’t withdrawn, so there is no reason he can’t be sent somewhere.

Is there a reason they shouldn’t face justice in their own country? I, personally, don’t care where they face justice, as long as they face justice. How is deporting a violent criminal impacting community safety? That’s just a ridiculous statement. Keeping them here and refusing to prosecute them is what is impacting community safety.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Is there a reason they shouldn’t face justice in their own country?

For Abrego Garcia, neither Uganda nor El Salvador have jurisdiction over a crime that allegedly took place in the United States.
The same goes for all of these others.

But at least you've backed off your propaganda that this is not happening. It is.

 

[A New Dawn]

For Abrego Garcia, neither Uganda nor El Salvador have jurisdiction over a crime that allegedly took place in the United States.
The same goes for all of these others.

But at least you've backed off your propaganda that this is not happening. It is.

I have to check it out. Just because people are picked up for questioning doesn’t mean they are being kidnapped and shipped out. Lots of people get picked up for questioning during investigations.

 

[A New Dawn]

For Abrego Garcia, neither Uganda nor El Salvador have jurisdiction over a crime that allegedly took place in the United States.
The same goes for all of these others.

But at least you've backed off your propaganda that this is not happening. It is.

Abrego Garcia was found guilty here. He can serve out his term in his own country. That is how most international courts work. You are found guilty in the country you violated the law in and you serve out part of or all of your term in your own country.

 

[Vambram]

We will happily be a problem for as many years as we need to. Oldest sanctuary city in our state, we’re happy to do it.

Your entire city is happy to break federal laws?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Abrego Garcia was found guilty here.

Nope. There has been no trial.

Abrego Garcia’s trial is set to begin in January 2026.

 

[essentialsaltes]

He can serve out his term in his own country. That is how most international courts work

Setting aside your first statement was wrong... Show us this.

 

[A New Dawn]

Nope. There has been no trial.

Abrego Garcia’s trial is set to begin in January 2026.

I’m talking about the immigration judge trial in 2019.