Is this "Intelligent Design"?

[CarlaB]

Would someone who accepted the following be an intelligent design adherent?

1. Evolution takes place.
2. Common descent is real.
3. Many (or all) of the mechanisms posited by Darwin and various mainstream Neo-Darwinist scientists contribute to evolution (mutation, survival of the fittest, epigenetic factors, etc..).
4. The self organizing nature of matter contributes to evolution.

And here is the one that makes classification harder:

6. Much of this is possible, especially number 4, thanks to the reality of pan-psychism or (proto-) panexperientialism which posit consciousness or mindedness, though in radically variant levels of complexity, as inherent to all matter-energy.

Or for that matter what about an outright Berkeley style Idealist or certain Yogachara influenced Buddhists who accept evolution and yet beleive that reality is "mind only"? Intelligence would be ubiquitous and govern the laws that result in organization, information, etc.

...OR pretty much anyone who rejects the idea that consciousness is an epiphenomenon of matter-energy in general?

Where is the intelligence behind it? has anyone found any yet? doesn't intelligence require a brain? does a spirit have a brain?

 

[Papias]

Where is the intelligence behind it? has anyone found any yet? doesn't intelligence require a brain? does a spirit have a brain?

It seems to me that a "spirit" requires a working brain. In addition to the huge amounts of evidence (whenever we see consciousness, there is a brain, and whenever that brain is affected by chemicals or physical damage, the consciousness is affected), it seems that if brains weren't required, why would they be here? If God wanted to make thinking people, then why make a brain? Why not make people without brains, since the spirits do the thinking, not the brain? Even if one believes in a God, why would that God make brains if we didn't need them?

In Christ-

Papias

 

[CarlaB]

It seems to me that a "spirit" requires a working brain.

If a spirit requires a brain what is a 'spirit'?

 

[CarlaB]

If a spirit requires a brain what is a 'spirit'?

Could it be a figment of someone's imagination?

 

[Papias]

If a spirit requires a brain what is a 'spirit'?

Could it be a figment of someone's imagination?

I don't know. I'll have to just fall back to "God works in mysterious ways".

In Christ-

Papias

 

[Chris B]

I don't know. I'll have to just fall back to "God works in mysterious ways".

But then, couldn't you fall back equally well on "the Invisible Pink Unicorns did it"?
Is there any conceptual difference, except that the word "God" comes loaded with connotation values?

 

[Papias]

But then, couldn't you fall back equally well on "the Invisible Pink Unicorns did it"?
Is there any conceptual difference, except that the word "God" comes loaded with connotation values?

Well, sure. There is no conceptual difference. After all, this is the essence of "faith" - the belief in something for no reason, regardless of, and often in conflict with, the evidence - as per Hebrews 11:1.

In Jesus' name-

Papias