Is this God?

Carl Emerson said:

Sorry it didn't click with you, maybe others will appreciate it.

No explanation is perfect.

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here is an article the involves what you were talking about, if I understood it correctly....
BABYLON_THE_GREAT_BATTLE (1).DOC

Hi, Lee. After reading all of those replies, you should be well stocked with information and may also be thoroughly confused. Some of the answers given were, not surprisingly, incorrect. Others were right on the money. So that just illustrates the difficulty with this topic.

A few things to keep in mind --

1. We cannot comprehend with our mortal intelligence the nature of God, but we go with the outline the Bible has given us as an temporary answer. In the end, it's a mystery that we accept on God's word given to us.

2. Do not think of three individual beings called "God" like some governing committee. The modern use of the word persons is different from the meaning that the Greeks had (and even that is somewhat controversial).

3. The three "persona" of God are not just different roles played at different times by the one divine being.

solid_core said:

Are you saying that the Holy Spirit is not a person?

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Yes...never even crossed my mind it was a person.

solid_core said:

Practically nothing in your analogy corresponds to Trinity.

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not just changing forms of some underlying entity. Its actually a heresy called oneness (it says that God is just one person manifesting in various forms - modalism).

The generally accepted teaching about Trinity is that they are without change and they are different persons in perfect unity.

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I don’t think this person meant that God is changing forms. I think the idea was that all three of these different states, liquid, ice, and gas, are water just like all three personalities, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are God.

Kenny'sID said:

Yes...never even crossed my mind it was a person.

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Remember that Scripture refers to the Holy Ghost with a personal pronoun, not as an "it."

We know, therefore, that he is not simply the force of the Father or something like that, which is what some people imagine.

Kenny'sID said:

Yes...never even crossed my mind it was a person.

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The Holy Spirit:

- lives (2Tm 1:14)
- talks and decides (Acts 13:2)
- has intentions to show something (Heb 9:8)
- can be grieved (Eph 4:30)
- can be lied to (Acts 5:3)

He is clearly a living person like Christianity has been teaching from the beginning.

O, the mental gymnastics we go through to try and define God.

And we try to do it while justifying our given beliefs.

solid_core said:

The Holy Spirit:

- lives (2Tm 1:14)
- talks and decides (Acts 13:2)
- has intentions to show something (Heb 9:8)
- can be grieved (Eph 4:30)
- can be lied to (Acts 5:3)

He is clearly a living person like Christianity has been teaching from the beginning.

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Acts 13:2 New International Version
While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."

Tell me where the Holy spirit was when that was said? Was it an audible voice, or was it something form the mind?

BTW, my mind speaks to me often enough.

Also, do you believe you have another person inside of you?

Albion said:

Remember that Scripture refers to the Holy Ghost with a personal pronoun, not as an "it."

We know, therefore, that he is not simply the force of the Father or something like that, which is what some people imagine.

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It's just one of those things that don't really concern me.

I've seen some try to make a religion out of the Holy Spirit, so I'm a bit jaded about some of the claims.

Carl Emerson said:

Sorry it didn't click with you, maybe others will appreciate it.

No explanation is perfect.

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Sounds like he's looking for explanations that match what's already in his head.

Ricky M said:

It's like water. It can be a solid (ice), a liquid (fluid), and a gas (steam/vapor). But it's all still water.

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I think that is more like Modalism.

leefromcanada said:

Is this God?: The Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit?

Three different Persons but one God?

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Here’s a great video series from RC Sproul:

The Mystery of the Trinity by R.C. Sproul

A very good summary here:

https://www.theopedia.com/trinity

~Cassia~ said:

I think of Jesus as the fleshly part that is seen in the world, the Father as the soul that the Son confers with to intellectually understand the world, and the Spirit as the guiding principal that holds it all together. We are three part beings as is the trinity of the Godhead.

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That’s a bit like Modalism as well.

This passage is an excerpt from St. Athanasius' first letter to Serapion (Ep. 1 ad Serapionem 28-30: PG 26, 594-95. 599)

The Athanasian creed. And before anyone gets upset by the word catholic in the creed it does not mean the Church of Rome. It means the universal orthodox Christian church. Though Rome affirms the creed as does the reformed, Anglican and Lutheran churches.
The Creed of Athanasius
Written against the Arians.
Whoever desires to be saved must, above all, hold the catholic faith.
Whoever does not keep it whole and undefiled will without doubt perish eternally.
And the catholic faith is this,
that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in unity, neither confusing the persons nor dividing the substance.
For the Father is one person, the Son is another, and the Holy Spirit is another.
But the Godhead of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit is one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.
Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit:
the Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, the Holy Spirit uncreated;
the Father infinite, the Son infinite, the Holy Spirit infinite;
the Father eternal, the Son eternal, the Holy Spirit eternal.
And yet there are not three Eternals, but one Eternal,
just as there are not three Uncreated or three Infinites, but one Uncreated and one Infinite.
In the same way, the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, the Holy Spirit almighty;
and yet there are not three Almighties but one Almighty.
So the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God;
and yet there are not three Gods, but one God.
So the Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, the Holy Spirit is Lord;
and yet there are not three Lords, but one Lord.
Just as we are compelled by the Christian truth to acknowledge each distinct person as God and Lord,
so also are we prohibited by the catholic religion to say that there are three Gods or Lords.
The Father is not made nor created nor begotten by anyone. The Son is neither made nor created, but begotten of the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son, neither made nor created nor begotten but proceeding.
Thus, there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
And in this Trinity none is before or after another; none is greater or less than another;
but the whole three persons are coeternal with each other and coequal so that in all things, as has been stated above, the Trinity in Unity and Unity in Trinity is to be worshiped.
Therefore, whoever desires to be saved must think thus about the Trinity.
But it is also necessary for everlasting salvation that one faithfully believe the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, it is the right faith that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is at the same time both God and man.
He is God, begotten from the substance of the Father before all ages; and He is man, born from the substance of His mother in this age:
perfect God and perfect man, composed of a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father with respect to His divinity, less than the Father with respect to His humanity.
Although He is God and man, He is not two, but one Christ:
one, however, not by the conversion of the divinity into flesh but by the assumption of the humanity into God;
one altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.
For as the rational soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ,
who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again on the third day from the dead,
ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father, from whence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
At His coming all people will rise again with their bodies and give an account concerning their own deeds.
And those who have done good will enter into eternal life, and those who have done evil into eternal fire.
This is the catholic faith; whoever does not believe it faithfully and firmly cannot be saved

leefromcanada said:

Is this God?: The Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit?

Three different Persons but one God?

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the evidence for god are for instance this motor :



they also found these gears:

leefromcanada said:

Is this God?: The Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit?

Three different Persons but one God?

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YES. God is ALL