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LDS Is this false prophecy or can it be explained?

Is this a typical false prophecy?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 92.3%
  • No

    Votes: 1 7.7%

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Peter1000

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No but adding and removing from a prophecy in the manner of his commentary afterwards shows that he does not understand prophecy nor respects God like a prophet should. Which is perfectly fine if the prophecy was received from a false spirit.

Can you tell me what he added or removed from the prophecy afterwards? I am not following you. Thank you.

We if he did understand the millennium then that makes it even worse for him to suggest that Jesus would appear before the millennium. That would definitely show he is a false prophet in my mind attempting to deceive people with lies.

Does anyone understand the millenium and when it is to occur? No. Neither did JS. That is why he asked the Lord. It is the Lord that told him that "if he lived to be 85, he would see the millenium". Well, he did not live to be 85, so the millenium had to be after 1891 per JS prophecy, which is true. Prophecy fulfilled truthfully. Since the millenium has not occurred yet, it is certainly after 1891, and JS said that it would not be any sooner than 1891. It wasn't, so prophecy fulfilled truthfully. Show me where I am wrong.


We have given you a valid explanation a few times now, you must not be reading our posts. This is not suspicious, it is straight forward. "If you live to be 85 you will see the second coming of the Savior. JS also said, the second coming would be "no sooner" than 1891. He was right, prophecy fulfilled truthfully.

Ask yourself, did the second coming come before 1891, no. Will it come after 1891, yes. JS is right then, not suspicious, just straight forward. Tell me where I am wrong.
 
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How the "prophecy appears to reflect a bending of reality" is a summation of . . . false logic?

The prophecy is conditioned on "if", not anyone's presupposition.

You are right, lots of people miss that "if". That conditions the entire prophecy. You don't know how many people say to me, JS prophecied that the second coming was to happen in 1891. Since it did not he is a false prophet. Well it is that they just did not read the prophcey, and missed the "if". Thanks for letting us know that you did not.
 
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I am no follower of JSJr. or the latter day restoration, but I do follow logic and the meaning of words. Peter1000 has the right of the discussion.
Thank you, I sometimes wonder if I am not out of my mind, because everyone I discuss this with on the CF will not give, what I think is logical answers. This one seems fairly straight forward to me anyway.
 
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We clearly disagree and see different things. I'll leave it at that.

It's clear that the way you're interpreting this prophecy is similar to how Joseph Smith taught his followers to interpret the bible. And that method of interpretation in my opinion is what lead to the errors made by the LDS church in theology.

I think that is what is clear to me.
 
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I think you are on the right track. The words of the Lord seem to make JS think about it.
But JS final conclusion was that the second coming would be no sooner than 1891.

Well, as it turns out, JS was right. I really don't see this as a prophecy, because you are right, nobody knows the day or the time that Jesus returns to reign. At the time of his death and resurrection, Jesus did not even know. He may know now, but is certainly not going to tell a man that information, even his prophet. And that prophets life or death is certainly not going to be the trigger that brings Jesus the second time.

It is interesting that when Jesus comes the second time, it will be at a time that the world will surround Israel and 2 prophets of Jesus will be slain, and in 3 days will be resurrected and then the Son of Man will come in all his glory. He will save Israel and set up his kingdom on earth and will reign forever.
 
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Peter1000, once again, takes the argument above.

I have always been clear, mmksparbud, what I think about the prophecy of this OP. The conditional nature of it completely alleviates the possibility of it being false because it did not happen.

Devin has every right to opine what God would do or not do, but that it is only Devin's opinion and nonbinding on anyone.
 
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