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is this a valid reason to not accept a man's relationship proposal?

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thank you so much @Unqualified ! So happy to see you again, we chatted a little if you can remember. I will list down the pros and cons, very good idea! Have a wonderful day ahead :)
Yes I remember. I hope you are praying about it. A big step and a long road. So early to decide all the particulars.
Strength is definitely going to be necessary. If your purpose is Gods purpose, then He will furnish all you need. But I wouldn’t trust completely in yourself, without Jesus in your life and His love for instance. Good luck and Gods blessings. A lot of women have done this all on their own. They were strong and relied on themselves and the world and maybe a relationship. But I hope your life has room for Jesus. He resists the proud but gives strength to the humble. Jesus loves You. Ambition is one thing. How are your grades now?
 
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20 years from now you will be 46, you will still meet people who are attracted to you and may want to marry you. I'm not saying you should chose the career path, I'm just saying don't listen to anyone trying to make you take a decision based on fear. A woman hardly runs out of options when she takes good care of herself and doesn't become overweight. Godly men are not just in their 20s and 30s, they are also in their 40s. 50s, 60s and beyond. Most men here are in their 50s and beyond, some are divorced, widowers, others never married so there is no evidence to prove that godliness ends at 20s and 30s. Pray and ask God to guide your path, if you are Christian.
 
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20 years from now you will be 46, you will still meet people who are attracted to you and may want to marry you. I'm not saying you should chose the career path, I'm just saying don't listen to anyone trying to make you take a decision based on fear. A woman hardly runs out of options when she takes good care of herself and doesn't become overweight. Godly men are not just in their 20s and 30s, they are also in their 40s. 50s, 60s and beyond. Most men here are in their 50s and beyond, some are divorced, widowers, others never married so there is no evidence to prove that godliness ends at 20s and 30s. Pray and ask God to guide your path, if you are Christian.
She wants somebody who is from top 5% of men. The simple fact that there still are some old Christian men who are single (well, better said divorced) is not exactly what she will be satisfied with.

As others here already said, those top 5% of men will choose younger women. Why? Because they can. Because nature. Because many women of all ages chase after them and so they have many options to choose from. Women compete for them daily, its a simple supply and demand law.

Its not fear, its facts. Decisions should be made based on facts. Choosing a career is a sacrifice. Choosing a family is a sacrifice. Thats life.
 
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She wants somebody who is from top 5% of men. The simple fact that there still are some old Christian men who are single (well, better said divorced) is not exactly what she will be satisfied with.

As others here already said, those top 5% of men will choose younger women. Why? Because they can. Because nature. Because many women of all ages chase after them and so they have many options to choose from. Women compete for them daily, its a simple supply and demand law.

Its not fear, its facts. Decisions should be made based on facts. Choosing a career is a sacrifice. Choosing a family is a sacrifice. Thats life.
I didn't say I want a man from the top 5%, I meant that i will be ready to settle down when i am in the top 20%. I don't mind if my husband is someone poorer than me. As long as I am proud of myself, which sounds on the surface like i am worldly and have worldly cares, but i believe God placed in my soul His vision for who He wants me to be. Thank you for your concern. but to reiterate, i don't want a man from the top 5%.
 
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20 years from now you will be 46, you will still meet people who are attracted to you and may want to marry you. I'm not saying you should chose the career path, I'm just saying don't listen to anyone trying to make you take a decision based on fear. A woman hardly runs out of options when she takes good care of herself and doesn't become overweight. Godly men are not just in their 20s and 30s, they are also in their 40s. 50s, 60s and beyond. Most men here are in their 50s and beyond, some are divorced, widowers, others never married so there is no evidence to prove that godliness ends at 20s and 30s. Pray and ask God to guide your path, if you are Christian.
thank you, i realise this as well. I am working hard to stay fit and healthy. I hope you are too, have a good day :)
 
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I didn't say I want a man from the top 5%, I meant that i will be ready to settle down when i am in the top 20%. I don't mind if my husband is someone poorer than me. As long as I am proud of myself, which sounds on the surface like i am worldly and have worldly cares, but i believe God placed in my soul His vision for who He wants me to be. Thank you for your concern. but to reiterate, i don't want a man from the top 5%.
Many younger Christian women say that to themselves, but the nature is a strong power. And nature dictates that women need to respect their man, to feel happy in the relationship.

And if the woman is from a higher social class or has a higher education, its very hard for her to respect the man. If you have never tried that, you cannot know if its realistic for you to attain.
 
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Yes I remember. I hope you are praying about it. A big step and a long road. So early to decide all the particulars.
Strength is definitely going to be necessary. If your purpose is Gods purpose, then He will furnish all you need. But I wouldn’t trust completely in yourself, without Jesus in your life and His love for instance. Good luck and Gods blessings. A lot of women have done this all on their own. They were strong and relied on themselves and the world and maybe a relationship. But I hope your life has room for Jesus. He resists the proud but gives strength to the humble. Jesus loves You. Ambition is one thing. How are your grades now?
Hi, I have been working on my relationship with Jesus. When I make the effort to spend time with Him, like clockwork, He responds very often, yet every time I am filled with awe. I pray that I will be humble, I hope you will pray too for me that i will always be humble and compassionate no matter what. My grades aren't very good, to be honest, they're average. I like spending time on other things instead, and also initially i didn't think of continuing my studies. I do need prayers in this area. I want to apply for a doctors of art, so i thought my results wouldn't matter. But i just found that they want my transcripts. So I am in a little bit of trouble, i'm not going to lie. Thanks for taking the time to respond, @Unqualified , may God bless you
 
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Many younger Christian women say that to themselves, but the nature is a strong power. And nature dictates that women need to respect their man, to feel happy in the relationship.

And if the woman is from a higher social class or has a higher education, its very hard for her to respect the man. If you have never tried that, you cannot know if its realistic for you to attain.
that is very interesting. I didn't know this. So you would tell your son not to marry a woman who is richer than him? I'm not asking to make you question your statement, it is a genuine question, i would like to know the answer
 
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that is very interesting. I didn't know this. So you would tell your son not to marry a woman who is richer than him? I'm not asking to make you question your statement, it is a genuine question, i would like to know the answer
Hard to say, it would depend on the context.

Also, I am happily single, because I think a common relationship with a common woman is not worth the troubles it brings with it. So... I do not know how to answer that.

However, from purely psychological perspective, such relationships rarely work.
 
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I didn't say I want a man from the top 5%, I meant that i will be ready to settle down when i am in the top 20%. I don't mind if my husband is someone poorer than me. As long as I am proud of myself, which sounds on the surface like i am worldly and have worldly cares, but i believe God placed in my soul His vision for who He wants me to be. Thank you for your concern. but to reiterate, i don't want a man from the top 5%.
I think you're misreading the economic bell curve.

I was rather surprised to realize about 20 years ago that I've been in the top 20% of the American economy my entire life...even when I was a black kid in the 50s. Entry into the top 20% is a lower income than many people think, because a whole lot of people make a lot less money than many people think.

Your description of where you want to be when you expect to be married would put you in the top 5%. If you are then looking for an equally highly paid man, he'll be in the top 5%.
 
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that is very interesting. I didn't know this. So you would tell your son not to marry a woman who is richer than him? I'm not asking to make you question your statement, it is a genuine question, i would like to know the answer

It depends on whether she was willing to live at his income level. If her contribution amounts to "supporting" him, they will probably find their relationship not affable in the long term.

Are you prepared to "support" a man?

My daughter did find herself in that situation, having inadvertently married a man content to live on her income...she didn't like it. When they divorced, she had to assume all his debt and give him the car she bought just to avoid paying him alimony.
 
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I am 26 this year, a woman, and i'm busy. I want to do get my phd and there are discoveries and contributions i want to make in my academic field, also, i am working towards owning a bentley or a lambo. i am upper middle class and i aim to be in the upper classes, or at least i want to be known in my field of study, i want to accomplish something. i think i could make progress in less than a decade, then i will be ready for a relationship.
OK, but it sounds like you're chasing a lifestyle and an academic dream at the same time. Why the Bentley or the Lambo? Do you seriously expect to be able to pay for those out of your own pocket?
throughout the years, i have met many men (at least 2 new men each year) who show interest in me, and whom i have been, too, interested in. i admit it, i want a relationship. i am emotionally ready, but i will not have time for one. i have much to do, much to study, not to mention i am not firm in God's word yet. How will i be able to provide spiritual protection and guidance for my spouse and children? Besides that , i just have no time, it's true in less than 10 years i may not have accomplished everything yet but i will have accomplished what i have to in order to be available for a significant other.
You've been meeting 2 interested men a year up to age 26. That's going to fall off. You will not be as attractive at 36 as you are now at 26. Your academic achievements, and your income and your dream car will not make you more attractive to most men. Furthermore, a Christian man doesn't want a Christian wife for spiritual guidance and protection. He understands that is his job. Now, he will want her to be strong in her faith so that she can help with spiritually guiding, protecting, and teaching the children and he will appreciate her spiritual tenacity in backing him up, but he is the high priest of the home. Wives can and should be spiritually strong, but he is the spiritual leader, that is his responsibility to her (Ephesians 5:25-30). And from what you've shared, it really sounds like spiritual growth is behind your career and your lifestyle in terms of priorities. Since those two are going to take so much time, how will you be in a spiritually good place at age 36 when your physical attractiveness has already begun to fade?
Also they must be the wrong men right ? When the right one comes i will be ready.
I don't believe in "the one" as it's not a Biblical teaching. People are allowed to remarry after their spouses die. If one or more spouses dies, it wouldn't necessarily be "one" for a person, it could be two or more, depending on how many times the person was widowed. Therefore, there can be multiple right people for a person. Therefore, you could be meeting some "right men" right now.

It's ultimately your choice if you want to pursue your career and lifestyle at the expense of relationships, but when you finally feel that you want to settle down in 10-15 years remember that the caliber of men who might be interested in you will be different than the men you're meeting today. They will likely be old enough to still consider 35-40 young and attractive (so mid-40s and up). Maybe they'll have children already from previous relationships, if we're going with Biblically legitimate we'll assume they had wives that died. If you want them on your economic level and you've got the Bentley, that's going to be harder because men with that much money can generally date younger women than 35. These younger women might not have your money, but those men don't need your money. These younger women might not have your credentials, but men generally don't marry women for their academic and professional credentials. If I meet two equally young and attractive women tomorrow, one with a Ph.D and another without, that Ph.D is not the tiebreaker. Similarly, if I meet two equally young and attractive women tomorrow, one with a Bentley and one without, that Bentley is not the tiebreaker. You might be very intelligent, and intelligence is a good thing to have, but you're applying your intelligence to your field and to making money as your first two priorities. I as a man would much rather have a woman who applies her intelligence first to growing in God and to being a better wife and mother. That woman won't be prioritizing the higher income brackets and won't be dreaming about a Bentley (1 Timothy 6:6-10). If I could choose between an attractive and intelligent 35 year old who invested her intelligence in growing as a Christian and as a wife and as a would-be mother for the last 9 years, and an equally intelligent and good-looking 35 year old who pursued career and possessions first, I'm going to choose the one who didn't choose career and possessions first. The one who did isn't as ready to make a home, and she has to mentally switch gears from her old priorities which is not going to be an easy adjustment; she's less mature in the areas that matter. And of course, if there's a third who is just as attractive & intelligent, and put the last 9 years into growing in God and becoming a better wife and mother instead of lifestyle and possessions, and she's 30 instead of 35, I'll pick that one. More so if she's in her late 20's.

So you can choose this path if you want to, but understand that your options will be limited, and being in your late 30's, female, single, and starting mentally where many women in their early to mid-20s have to start in terms of learning to make themselves available to a man is not an enviable place to be. Count the cost, and go your way.
 
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If I could choose between an attractive and intelligent 35 year old who invested her intelligence in growing as a Christian and as a wife and as a would-be mother for the last 9 years, and an equally intelligent and good-looking 35 year old who pursued career and possessions first, I'm going to choose the one who didn't choose career and possessions first. The one who did isn't as ready to make a home, and she has to mentally switch gears from her old priorities which is not going to be an easy adjustment;
This is a good point. When a woman who pursued career and money first wants to settle down in her late 30's or 40's, she will probably have no skills needed for being a good wife and a good mother. Rather the opposite. And it may be much more difficult to switch the mentality than in 20's.
 
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This is a good point. When a woman who pursued career and money first wants to settle down in her late 30's or 40's, she will probably have no skills needed for being a good wife and a good mother. Rather the opposite. And it may be much more difficult to switch the mentality than in 20's.
Whatever you intend to be doing in your 30s, you should be laying down the groundwork for it in your 20s. A person should not be "holding off" in their twenties what they intend to be proficient at in their 30s.
 
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Whatever you intend to be doing in your 30s, you should be laying down the groundwork for it in your 20s. A person should not be "holding off" in their twenties what they intend to be proficient at in their 30s.
I wish I'd heard that in the context of relationships in my early 20's.
 
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I wouldn't leave it too long or you will only have your career.
It may not seem like it now but even in your late 30s you may find your biological drives kick in and you might just marry anyone to fulfill that.
Try and do both, if you can find someone who, as was mentioned by another poster, can work alongside you and is supportive of your career goals then you will not need to sacrifice having a family.
Anything can happen, looks are not guaranteed longterm. if you have men who are interested in you and that you are interested in, then try and do both and see how it goes. middle age and old age can be very very lonely without family, as we get older family gets more and more important. you might just look back and say I wish I had made time.
 
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I am 26 this year, a woman, and i'm busy. I want to do get my phd and there are discoveries and contributions i want to make in my academic field, also, i am working towards owning a bentley or a lambo. i am upper middle class and i aim to be in the upper classes, or at least i want to be known in my field of study, i want to accomplish something.

You don't have to justify your life decisions to anyone. They are your decisions. However, you might find that status and material things don't really satisfy.
 
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Sister. I would stay single. I know your trying to support yourself. Satan as antichrist will come near future. This is reason to be firm in the bible. Having working knowledge of Gods word. You don't have to be scholar. Hebrews chapter 5. After 20 years, a congregation should be teachers of God's word. Here's the danger flag. Majority will worship antichrist and end up in sheol. It's holding place for the spirtualty dead. Revelation chapter 13 and 14. Knowledge and wisdom of God's word is the key past antichrist lies and deception. Second Timothy chapter 3. Our nation is rapidly deteriorating. Morally and spirtualty. This is bringing us closer to the 6th trump, when satan as antichrist comes to Jerusalem. Its 5 month period, revelation chapter 9. I would make time to study bible a little each day. Getting involved with someone may compromise your values and beliefs. Antichrist will come 6th trump. I wouldn't have any baggage. Get the picture. Peace.
 
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