Is this a real bad idea about companys giving money to Lesbian and Gay groups?

[ChristianCenturion]

I don't think anyone has a problem if people choose to boycott, but the reasons given for the boycott (i.e. they are sinners) comes off as hypocritical because there seems to be no problem with other sinners. It's the picking and choosing of what are the "bad" sins and what are the "good" sins, homosexuality seeming to be considered one of the "bad" sins. That's why I think the comparison to a remarried divorce person is valid because to some that can be seen as continued sin. What's worse, is sometime these people encourage other women/men to divorce in marriages that aren't working out.

Your over-simplification is staggering. I for one stated that they are continuing in sin, they are ALSO encouraging others to 'embrace' that immorality. They are also contradicting everything both religious, health and scientific in order to try to legitimize their lifestyle. There are not that many motivated 'divorced' people that unite and do likewise. Your comparison fails there. It further fails to recognize that a person can become a Christian AFTER a divorce and that in Christianity, there is a point where repentance brings forth a new creation and forgiveness and grace prevails in light of a divorce. Now by no means do I say that divorce is good or OK, but you are presuming to say that once someone was to divorce, that they are not forgiven for their past deed. That ignores many aspects such as abandonment, death after the divorce, adultery, etc. You will be on your own with that.
The same can not be said about homosexuality that is practiced. It is an abomination every time and there is zero justifications other than repentance. Which if they are a new creation, means they WERE homosexual and no longer.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

Romans 6:6
For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, [ Or be rendered powerless] that we should no longer be slaves to sin–

Ephesians 4:22
You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires;

 

[Ninja Turtles]

Gay people fight your own struggle, don't compare it to others. It isn't fair to me or to you.

Your views are your perogative but when I make comparisons in history I don't look for the same occurences, I look for similar atmosphere. The treatment of homosexuals is nothing new, it is a subject that has been around centuries. In some cultures it was "live and let live" while in other cultures they were put to death. While I don't compare the treatment of homosexuals to genocide, I do not have a problem comparing their struggle for civil rights with blacks in this country. I don't see it as offensive at all. I feel that I am able to see other's plight as tantamount to my own. It doesn't have to match up completely, but that's not what I'm looking for.

 

[Ninja Turtles]

Your over-simplification is staggering. I for one stated that they are continuing in sin, they are ALSO encouraging others to 'embrace' that immorality. They are also contradicting everything both religious, health and scientific in order to try to legitimize their lifestyle. There are not that many motivated 'divorced' people that unite and do likewise. Your comparison fails there. It further fails to recognize that a person can become a Christian AFTER a divorce and that in Christianity, there is a point where repentance brings forth a new creation and forgiveness and grace prevails in light of a divorce. Now by no means do I say that divorce is good or OK, but you are presuming to say that once someone was to divorce, that they are not forgiven for their past deed. That ignores many aspects such as abandonment, death after the divorce, adultery, etc. You will be on your own with that.
The same can not be said about homosexuality that is practiced. It is an abomination every time and there is zero justifications other than repentance. Which if they are a new creation, means they WERE homosexual and no longer.

OKay I will accept that I have no place in interpretting Scripture.

(Although when I was talking about divorce I wasn't talking about the cases that made it okay to remarry, I'm talking about the couple that just calls it quits and finds other partners in a few months. )

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Where did I say the televisions and computers were for entertainment? They may only be able to watch things like C-SPAN or watch the news. Unless of course you're calling entertainment. I'm saying that there is no specific purpose for them being there, that doesn't mean entertainment is the aim.

I didn't say you did say they were for entertainment. I stated a qualifier of what I would be against. I am free to make off topic commentary - especially since this is drifting further and further away from the OP.

Yet divorce is an epidemic problem in this country, but no one is banding together to stop them. Of course there are groups out there, but compare that to the anti-homosexual groups, and it looks completely different.

One, homosexuals are free to do what they want in private. To state that 'banding together to stop them' is somehow supposed to mean that sodomy laws are on their way back is not supported. Free up to the point where it effects others and in my case, that includes deceiving others into remaining in sin and trying to get forced acceptance/endorsement.
Two, if you think that there are not groups trying to help with divorce, then you are not aware of a whole facet of Christian ministry. Try googling "Divorce Proofing" or "Marriage Conferences". I have received much flack even on this forum by secularists which didn't like ME speaking out against divorce, so you will forgive me when I take your statement as false regarding divorce too.
Three, show me a multi-million dollar, multi-pronged agenda driven group that equals the pro-gay advocates in the 'divorce' issue.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

OKay I will accept that I have no place in interpretting Scripture.

Please don't use that emoticon with me. That in itself is blasphemous as far as I see it. Note the word please used.

(Although when I was talking about divorce I wasn't talking about the cases that made it okay to remarry, I'm talking about the couple that just calls it quits and finds other partners in a few months. )

Again, I do not support people like that either. They like others that choose to accept the counterfeit instead of God's way are free to do so and they may bring early judgment upon themself. We ALL will answer for what we do; some however, have the Advocate and their name written in the Book of Life.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Your views are your perogative but when I make comparisons in history I don't look for the same occurences, I look for similar atmosphere. The treatment of homosexuals is nothing new, it is a subject that has been around centuries. In some cultures it was "live and let live" while in other cultures they were put to death. While I don't compare the treatment of homosexuals to genocide, I do not have a problem comparing their struggle for civil rights with blacks in this country. I don't see it as offensive at all. I feel that I am able to see other's plight as tantamount to my own. It doesn't have to match up completely, but that's not what I'm looking for.

Can 99% of gays be determined as such by sight?
Is the exaltation from hollywood and the fashion industries oppression?
Are gays being killed and beaten by the tens/hundreds of thousands?
Do they have a separate bathroom, eating area, etc?
Do they get called slurs EVERY TIME and EVERY WHERE they go?
Can a homosexual, stop being gay... OH! Wait... we have evidence of that! They CAN!

Would you like some names?
http://lovewonout.com/

 

[Ninja Turtles]

Please don't use that emoticon with me. That in itself is blasphemous as far as I see it. Note the word please used.

Emoticons are blasphemous? I'm just providing the additional info that I could not provide with text. I don't want you to get . Perhaps a is needed and a to go along with it.

 

[Caylin]

I own a business and would not hire an openly gay, lesbian, bi, or transexual person. Sorry, the people who work for me must meet certain levels of moral standard.

Then you would get your butt sued off.

Should GLBT people not be able to get jobs anywhere? Should all businesses fire or not hire GLBT people?

BTW, you might raise an argument against gay people, but where, pray tell, does your transsexual bias come from?

 

[Ninja Turtles]

Three, show me a multi-million dollar, multi-pronged agenda driven group that equals the pro-gay advocates in the 'divorce' issue.

Show me the same think to eradicate the epidemic of divorce in this country. It's not there because it's accepted.

Can 99% of gays be determined as such by sight?
Is the exaltation from hollywood and the fashion industries oppression?
Are gays being killed and beaten by the tens/hundreds of thousands?
Do they have a separate bathroom, eating area, etc?
Do they get called slurs EVERY TIME and EVERY WHERE they go?
Can a homosexual, stop being gay... OH! Wait... we have evidence of that! They CAN!

Are you trying to turn this thread into a treatise against homosexuality? I saw a comment that homosexuality goes against science (or some comment along those lines), the fact that there is homosexuality seen in animals disproves this point, should I post the article on the gay penguins? But I don't care to have this discussion in the first place. But I'll answer your questions anyway...

Can 99% of gays be determined as such by sight?
Not all black people can be determined on sight (look at Alex Haley's Queen).

Is the exaltation from hollywood and the fashion industries oppression?
So all gay people should go to the fashion industry and Hollywood? But they are not exalted, they're being accepted.

Are gays being killed and beaten by the tens/hundreds of thousands?
Again, the usage of numbers to say no injustice occurs makes no sense. Does genocide require the extermination of millions of people? Do we say it's not genocide if only 999,999 people are killed?

Do they have a separate bathroom, eating area, etc?
As I said, this is the reason history repeats itself, people want to see the exact same thing occur when that usually doesn't happen.

Do they get called slurs EVERYTIME and EVERYWHERE they go?
If you are an out of closet homosexual, then yes, it's just as much as they called black people derogatory names in the past. In some places they didn't call them such names because (as is the case with homosexuals also), they are tolerated.

Can a homosexual, stop being gay?
I can't speak for homosexuals, why don't you ask them. If homosexuals can stop being gay, then I'm sure heterosexuals can do the same. But hemaphoriditic people seem to definitely muddy the waters on this issue also.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Then you would get your butt sued off.

Should GLBT people not be able to get jobs anywhere? Should all businesses fire or not hire GLBT people?

I don't have to give a reason for my not hiring someone. I just won't do it. If someone comes in who is obviously open about such a lifestyle choice, I would toss their application in the garbage. If they chose to come out with it after being hired, I would find a reason to let them go. Sorry, the people I would hire must be able to support the way I feel things should be done.

BTW, you might raise an argument against gay people, but where, pray tell, does your transsexual bias come from?

A transexual has chosen to change their sex, which I cannot support nor condone. If you are referring to a hermaphrodite, I would not have an issue with such a person.

 

[Ninja Turtles]

I don't have to give a reason for my not hiring someone. I just won't do it. If someone comes in who is obviously open about such a lifestyle choice, I would toss their application in the garbage. If they chose to come out with it after being hired, I would find a reason to let them go. Sorry, the people I would hire must be able to support the way I feel things should be done.

Unfortunately, such practices are illegal. That reminds me Philadelphia is a great movie, need to watch it again some time.

 

[Caylin]

I don't have to give a reason for my not hiring someone. I just won't do it. If someone comes in who is obviously open about such a lifestyle choice, I would toss their application in the garbage. If they chose to come out with it after being hired, I would find a reason to let them go. Sorry, the people I would hire must be able to support the way I feel things should be done.

We like to call that illeagal. You still didn't answer if all gay people should not have jobs or not.

A transexual has chosen to change their sex, which I cannot support nor condone. If you are referring to a hermaphrodite, I would not have an issue with such a person.

Being a transsexual I think I know what they are. Why exactly can't you support or condone a sex change might I ask. It isn't mentioned in the bible.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Then you would get your butt sued off.

Should GLBT people not be able to get jobs anywhere? Should all businesses fire or not hire GLBT people?

BTW, you might raise an argument against gay people, but where, pray tell, does your transsexual bias come from?

Sorry, there is a time and place for such. Parents shouldn't have to be forced to have a gay swim instructor 'making rounds' in the male teen showers.
The church doesn't need to have forced dictation as to who it hires to do jobs within the building.
The military man/woman shouldn't be forced to shower, dress, present themself in medical inspections to someone that is turned on by that gender.
I can go on, but you get the legitimacy point... one would hope.

 

[Zippythepinhead]

So you think it would be better if Ford and other companies just fired all their GLBT employees?

No connection to the argument

 

[Caylin]

No connection to the argument

Well, you don't seem to wanna give money to a company that strives to be fair to GLBT's. Do you think Ford should take them off their protection list and fire them?

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Well, you don't seem to wanna give money to a company that strives to be fair to GLBT's. Do you think Ford should take them off their protection list and fire them?

Zippy is correct. Your strawman is irrelevant to the subject. You will probably know where I stand on practicing homosexuality due to repeated postings reflecting it. I will also state here that firing 'them' would also be unjust... unless it had something to do with same sex exposure (naked) or such... or that they were antagonistic to people not 'accepting' their practices.
No they should not be fired, you will find me and other Christian groups that reject that lifestyle also fighting for the right to carry on a normal life without promoting their private life.

 

[Ninja Turtles]

No they should not be fired, you will find me and other Christian groups that reject that lifestyle also fighting for the right to carry on a normal life without promoting their private life.

The only contention some may have is what consists of them promoting their private life? Some may see an embrace between partners as promotion, but then not see it that way with heterosexuals. I think people mistakenly often assume that there is more homosexuality now, but I think it's been the same frequency since the dawn of man, it's just that in our society coming out is only become a recent phenomenom.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

The only contention some may have is what consists of them promoting their private life? Some may see an embrace between partners as promotion, but then not see it that way with heterosexuals. I think people mistakenly often assume that there is more homosexuality now, but I think it's been the same frequency since the dawn of man, it's just that in our society coming out is only become a recent phenomenom.

Well big surprise, I disagree.

Sin propagates sin. Sodom and Gomorrah didn't get special attention because of a small minority was 'open'. And your comparing heterosexual public displays and homosexual public displays are only comparable if the heterosexual ones are of the ungodly variety. The notion that godly ones such as modest affirmation of married couples along with men or women embracing in brotherly/sisterly love are somehow remotely on the same plane as homosexual displays is also rejected.

Ephesians 5:3
But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

We like to call that illeagal.

Call it what you want. I will not pay someone who supports such a thing. I don't have to come right out and say what it is I am doing and even if it is illegal, I view that as one of those laws I am not bound by. I am bound by what God has put in my heart.

You still didn't answer if all gay people should not have jobs or not.

I don't care if they work, just not for me.

Being a transsexual I think I know what they are. Why exactly can't you support or condone a sex change might I ask. It isn't mentioned in the bible.

God made us how He wanted us and to take such an action is wrong.

 

[SallyNow]

How funny that you guys take an idea that we MIGHT buy from such places as Walmart and run with it. Get with the program. Nobody was saying anything about walmart. Oh, and even if I did buy from walmart, people don't go to hell for not earning enough money.

First, a disclaimer: I did not say anything about any particular company or brand, just a way of business that is rarely boycotted, when compared to companies giving money to GLBT charities. I was simply showing that in fact, there are a lot of companies that do bad things, and Ford helping a charity that puts people back on their feet is not that bad on the scale of bad-it could be, in fact, noble.

"Not earning enough money"? What? Do you realize that it is in fact not that they are not earning enough money-they are starving, they are living in conditions so dirty, sad, and unsafe most North Americans can not even imagine. And what about sin? The bosses and heads of these companies are commiting sins-the buyers are allowing them to commit the sins of: Greed; being brutal masters; lack of love. Those are some pretty hefty sins in themselves.

And what about the workers-are we not allowing them to build resentment in their heart, resentment of the bosses, CEO's, of the buyers?

Colossians 4:1
Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.

Luke 18:25
Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

Mark 10:25
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

I am glad Ford is doing something to help those in need. It would be nice if they did if for organisations that served everyone, but a little help goes a long way.