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But that is the thing, there was nothing that made me stand out as a Jew or Muslim or any other religion. No kippah, horns were filed down recently, regular white American cloths made in some third world country, black leather shoes but not expensive. She had no idea that I was not a Christian, well, other than those cabbages…
Sorry about what happened, there, anytime, before and later ...it happens every day.
The only place I've seen or heard about
that 'Christians' are recognized by others (observers)
as different from everyone else in the neighborhood/city/country
is in the persecuted underground assembly
(NOT the state churches) in China, and Russia, and Africa, and perhaps some places in the americas (though not published anywhere I know of).
 
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I take it that most here don't care for missionaries?

A missionary that preaches the Gospel is fine.

It's when they're preaching everything else except the Gospel that there's a problem.

"Accept Jesus or burn in Hell" is basically the opposite of what the word euaggelion means.

I'd also add that there are definitely a lot of people who really shouldn't be trying to be evangelists. There's this idea popular in a number of Christian circles today that all Christians are called to be evangelists, when Scripture itself is pretty clear that not everyone is called to be an evangelist. Further, when the "evangelist" in question is proselytizing rather than actually preaching the Gospel, it's kind of a problem. Plenty of Christians shouldn't pretending to be evangelists for the same reason Christians shouldn't be pretending to be pastors. Not everyone is called (or qualified) to be a pastor, not everyone is called (or qualified) to be a teacher, not everyone is called (or qualified) to be an evangelist.

St. Peter says we should be able to offer an answer to the hope which we have, but he says we must do so with kindness and respect. That doesn't mean going out and preaching our religion in everyone's face, it means we ourselves being disciples, hearing, learning, growing in our faith so that if and/or when someone inquires us about what we believe that we are able to do so, and we should do this respectfully and kindly. There's no room here for the street corner preacher shouting hellfire and brimstone.

This is the closest we come to in Scripture to a universal exhortation for Christians to share their faith, and it is expressed as a command to have an answer, and to be gentle, kind, and respectful.

Elsewhere we find the exhortation to be given specifically to those who have, in fact, been called and ordained to preaching. Christ's commission, we say, is for the Church, but it is given expressly and specifically to the Apostles who actually were the ones going out and preaching; elsewhere the exhortation to "preach the Gospel both in and out of season" is given expressly and specifically to St. Timothy, a bishop. Because the calling of the pastorate is to the preaching of the Word and the administration of the Sacraments for the building up, and edification of the whole Church.

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I wonder how it might have gone had she said, "I deserve to be in hell. But God Jesus took my punishment for me because he loves me." Perhaps she might have given you a paper to read if you were interested in hearing more about it. I wonder how this thread might have gone.
 
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I take it that most here don't care for missionaries?

Depends. By default I lean towards no because most missionaries I've met in my life fall into two general categories:

1. Outwardly hostile (less common)
2. Suspiciously over-friendly and engaging

Category 2 is sort of strange because at first you take this as a sign of friendship. It is not. Missionaries want to convert you, if they think it is a waste or they give up they won't speak to you. Instead of coming out and saying this, however, they dance around the subject which always makes me uncomfortable because I struggle with reading social situations at times.

Your mileage may vary, of course.
 
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I wonder how it might have gone had she said, "I deserve to be in hell. But God Jesus took my punishment for me because he loves me." Perhaps she might have given you a paper to read if you were interested in hearing more about it. I wonder how this thread might have gone.

What punishment would that be, for being born?

She should have kept her eye on the donuts.
 
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What punishment would that be, for being born?

She should have kept her eye on the donuts.

Was it not a form of punishment when the woman was told;
"I shall surely increase your sorrow and your pregnancy,
in pain you shall bear children........"

And is it not so to this day today?

But, if that is not enough, guess what,
No, never mind.
 
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I'd also add that there are definitely a lot of people who really shouldn't be trying to be evangelists. There's this idea popular in a number of Christian circles today that all Christians are called to be evangelists, when Scripture itself is pretty clear that not everyone is called to be an evangelist. Further, when the "evangelist" in question is proselytizing rather than actually preaching the Gospel, it's kind of a problem. Plenty of Christians shouldn't pretending to be evangelists for the same reason Christians shouldn't be pretending to be pastors. Not everyone is called (or qualified) to be a pastor, not everyone is called (or qualified) to be a teacher, not everyone is called (or qualified) to be an evangelist.

This makes total sense but its interesting, I've heard of the concept of "gifts" in like a Pentecostal sense where Christians are more or less capable of filling certain roles (pastor, teacher, prophet etc.) but evangelism wasn't seen as a gift but rather something everyone HAD to do, and they had to do it loudly. Is this a religious mandate or an artifact of some protestant cultures?
 
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This makes total sense but its interesting, I've heard of the concept of "gifts" in like a Pentecostal sense where Christians are more or less capable of filling certain roles (pastor, teacher, prophet etc.) but evangelism wasn't seen as a gift but rather something everyone HAD to do, and they had to do it loudly. Is this a religious mandate or an artifact of some protestant cultures?

The sending of missionaries has a long tradition in Christianity that goes back to the Apostles, which is why there exist a number of well-known historic missionaries such as St. Patrick, as well as Sts. Cyril and Methodius (known as "the Apostles to the Slavs", Cyril gives his name to the Cyrillic alphabet still used today), St. Boniface, etc. But, rather consistently, Christian missionaries have been either ordained clergy or monastics (for example, Francis Xavier). And so engaging in what were, basically, perceived as apostolic missions to introduce the Gospel to other people involved individuals who had a great amount of formal theological training.

Protestant missions became somewhat pronounced in the 19th century, Presbyterians especially. The efforts of Presbyterian missionary activity in some places can still be keenly felt, for example I believe Presbyterianism is still the largest branch of Christianity in South Korea. So Protestants engaged in missionary activity just as Catholics and Orthodox had done earlier, though I believe missionaries were still usually ordained clergy rather than lay missionaries.

In the early 19th century there occurred among American Baptists something called the missions controversy, namely a split erupted among Baptists on the issue of missions--should missionaries be sent nor no? It resulted in Missionary Baptists on one end and Primitive Baptists on the other; part of the issue involved theological disputes already present within the Baptist tradition along the Calvinist-Arminian divide.

So far this is largely missionary activity, the idea of introducing the Gospel to parts of the world which were, until then, unfamiliar with the Christian religion.

If we rewind a bit to the 18th century we have the First Great Awakening in Britain and colonial America, representing what might be described as the earliest layer of revivalistic ideas. John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, though an Anglican priest had been deeply influenced by an encounter with a group of Moravians; a splinter group from Lutheranism which ascribed, largely, to Pietism which orthodox Lutherans had staunchly rejected.

In the 19th century another wave of revival took over America, and as I've mentioned in other places one of the leading figures of the Second Great Awakening was Charles Finney. I'd argue Finney really needs to be credited for the idea of finding measures to use in preaching in order to sway people's emotions to get them to make a public confession of faith. It was Finney who came up with the Anxious Bench, which came to later be called the Altar Call.

Out of the Second Great Awakening we see an explosion in what we might call popular preaching, it was also often joined together with social progressives. These early Evangelicals believed that changes in society were part of Christian mission, for example the abolition of slavery, woman's suffrage, etc. So, to their credit, these were the kinds of Christians who were more likely to be advocating for the poor, for minorities, for women, while Mainline Protestants were often against progressive social change. It's kind of funny how things change with time.

Another result of the Second Great Awakening involved an increase vigor for the sending of missionaries, in publishing religious pamphlets, etc. For example the Jehovah's Witnesses got their start with Charles Taze Russel's Bible Student Movement and the Zion's Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.

And the early-mid 20th century saw the rise of a number of popular evangelists such as Billy Sunday, and later Billy Graham; and thus the birth of the Neo-Evangelical movement.

This is largely a bunch of disjointed historical statements; but I'd say that herein we can perhaps see how the idea of every Christian supposed to being an evangelist finds its place as a growing idea from within particular niche corners of American (and British) Protestantism--specifically revivalistic/pietistic forms.

Because it's not as though Mainline Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox don't encourage individuals to share their faith, it's just that it's not regarded as The Most Important Thing(TM), and the form in which sharing one's faith takes is quite different. There is no Lutheran or Orthodox equivalent to the "Four Spiritual Laws" (at least that I'm aware of). Both from "conservative" Lutherans and "liberal" Lutherans that I've heard speak on the issue there is a general agreement that sharing one's faith is pretty much, "If someone is curious, share" with a larger focus on actually understanding and growing in one's faith. As it usually helps to have an idea about what it is you do believe before trying to tell other people what you believe.


-CryptoLutheran
 
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What punishment would that be, for being born?

She should have kept her eye on the donuts.

Is it what the girl said or that she said it?

Perhaps a line of christians will apologize and let you know they would never teach their daughter such beliefs.
 
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Is it what the girl said or that she said it?

Perhaps a line of christians will apologize and let you know they would never teach their daughter such beliefs.

On the contary, they would not have to apologize to me,
if they felt they needed to apologize,
they would have to apologize to the one they thought I was.

:)
 
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My mistake. Here I thought most were offended by the girl saying he was going to hell. Where in reality no one is offended by her believing he was going to hell.

Well, I cannot answer for others, we are all frail humans,
some are more sensitive than others of course, maybe depending how life is unfolding for them.
I'm not sure if being offended is considered cricket exactly, either.

You know that becoming angry can be considered idol worship, :)
If nothing "just happens".
But that may be for another day.
 
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