Is there such a thing as a "righteous lie?"

[Lukamu]

I believe that lying is a sin, no matter what. The first thing people who disagree usually ask me is, "What if thugs were at your door asking if your family was home in order to kill them - would you lie to save your family?" or similar questions involving murderers, Nazis, lawyers, etc. The second question is usually, "What about police and military who lie in order to stop crime or end wars, gaining advantage through deceit?"

My answer is the same for both questions - first, these hypothetical questions are impractical and inapplicable to my own life, so I can't give you a first-hand experience type of answer. Second, lying is called a sin in the Bible and there are no exceptions to the rule. Therefore, the answer is always yes, lying is a sin. Third, by the grace of God, we are offered forgiveness of sins through Jesus Christ. Lying may be the best thing to do in our mind, but that does not make it righteous. No one would ever be put in such a situation if there hadn't been other sinful factors involved. This is just a reminder of the sinful world that we live in. Would lying be justified in heaven? The Bible says that God, who is holy and righteous, cannot lie.

The third question that gets asked is "what about Rahab/Abraham/Hebrew midwives who lied?" Upon closer study of these passages, I have concluded that these people were commended for their faith, not for lying. Again, it only highlights the sinfulness of the world and the grace and mercy of God towards those who have faith in Him.

 

[dysert]

Here's one where you may have first-hand experience: "Does this outfit make me look fat?"

 

[aieyiamfu]

I have questioned the same thing at times and I see no problem lying, unless of course it is to bear false wittness which is directly addressed in the ten commandments.

 

[Svt4Him]

I would do anything to protect my family, short of denying Christ.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I think that this is one Christian dilemma that every Christian has at least thought about at one time or another. It's a good questioin.

 

[A greater Hope]

Not to be argumentative but to those who justify lying show me from scriptures From Gods mouth that he accepts lying of any form even if it's just a principal then I will be convince of it until then no lie/liar is accepted by God and his Son or his kingdom.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Not to be argumentative but to those who justify lying show me from scriptures From Gods mouth that he accepts lying of any form even if it's just a principal then I will be convince of it until then no lie/liar is accepted by God and his Son or his kingdom.

So you do not believe that the death and sacrifice of Jesus on the cross was sufficient for the forgiveness of sins? What on earth did Jesus die for then?

 

[A greater Hope]

So you do not believe that the death and sacrifice of Jesus on the cross was sufficient for the forgiveness of sins? What on earth did Jesus die for then?

Ok maybe I missed something!
You asked me this because.....? I don't see what I stated in my post to oppose Jesus's blood not being sufficient for sinners. Plz edify me on what I missed.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Ok maybe I missed something!
You asked me this because.....? I don't see what I stated in my post to oppose Jesus's blood not being sufficient for sinners. Plz edify me on what I missed.

I was responding specifically to the sentence where you indicated

no lie/liar is accepted by God and his Son or his kingdom.

My response was that does not Jesus Christ forgive sin? And when He does, He casts that sin as far as the east is from the west, never to be spoken of again. So with the forgiveness of sin, what person that has salvaation through the blood of CHrist would meet that criteria?

 

[brinny]

God seems to say it is.

There's an example from a very unlikely source...this person blatantly lies, and God deems this most unlikely person "righteous"....

do you know who of i'm speaking?

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

Here's one where you may have first-hand experience: "Does this outfit make me look fat?"

"It's not the outfit."

I believe there is such a thing as a right-lie. If it is a sin to save a life by breathing to life a lie that will save it, I'll lie now and repent later. Thou shalt not murder. If I helped insure that sin was averted and by my lying words, I think God would understand. And if not, oh well.

 

[ToBeLoved]

God seems to say it is.

There's an example from a very unlikely source...this person blatantly lies, and God deems this most unlikely person "righteous"....

do you know who of i'm speaking?

I'm thinking Peter who denied the Lord three times before His crucifiction.

 

[A greater Hope]

Ok i

I was responding specifically to the sentence where you indicated

no lie/liar is accepted by God and his Son or his kingdom.

My response was that does not Jesus Christ forgive sin? And when He does, He casts that sin as far as the east is from the west, never to be spoken of again. So with the forgiveness of sin, what person that has salvaation through the blood of CHrist would meet that criteria?

ok I see what's going on here,
Sir/madam, I was responding in context to the question of the thread,the truth is Jesus did die to save sinners "from" there sins while they were yet sinners.through this free gift by faith repentance is given to the man to turn away from his murder,lying,thief's,adultery,
Etc.certainly not to continue in them.therefore the truth still stands no liar no adulteress or adulterer or murderer or whoremonger or sorcerer etc. Shall inherit the kingdom of God. Do you understand what I meant now in it's context?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Ok i

ok I see what's going on here,
Sir/madam, I was responding in context to the question of the thread,the truth is Jesus did die to save sinners "from" there sins while they were yet sinners.through this free gift by faith repentance is given to the man to turn away from his murder,lying,thief's,adultery,
Etc.certainly not to continue in them.therefore the truth still stands no liar no adulteress or adulterer or murderer or whoremonger or sorcerer etc. Shall inherit the kingdom of God. Do you understand what I meant now in it's context?

If what you mean is that unforgiven human beings who sin will be held accountable for that sin, then yes.

 

[brinny]

I'm thinking Peter who denied the Lord three times before His crucifiction.

Actually that's very good...i didn't even think of that...

except that our dear Peter's lie, thrice told, was not righteous, bless his heart.

Anybody else?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Actually that's very good...i didn't even think of that...

except that our dear Peter's lie, thrice told, was not righteous, bless his heart.

Anybody else?

But the Lord made Peter righteous at Pentecost. So Peter had the Lord's righteousness.

 

[A greater Hope]

If what you mean is that unforgiven human beings who sin will be held accountable for that sin, then yes.

That's the context and only the right biblical context far as I see in the scriptures his blood is the remission of sins if it's not reemitted by Jesus through faith in him then one is simply dead or lost and cannot enter the kingdom in such a state.I didn't know what I posted was so complex in understanding that I had to break it down this much Forgive me brethren,but to God be the glory

 

[ToBeLoved]

That's the context and only the right biblical context far as I see in the scriptures his blood is the remission of sins if it's not reemitted by Jesus through faith in him then one is simply dead or lost and cannot enter the kingdom in such a state.I didn't know what I posted was so complex in understanding that I had to break it down this much Forgive me brethren,but to God be the glory

Now, now. Are you being dramatic?

 

[A greater Hope]

Now, now. Are you being dramatic?

Maybe A little

 

[brinny]

But the Lord made Peter righteous at Pentecost. So Peter had the Lord's righteousness.

yes He did, and Peter repented of his grievous sin, praise God!

Is there someone else who blatantly lied, and God deemed the person righteous BECAUSE they lied, sis?