Is there something in the creationists bible?

[thaumaturgy]

On the other hand:

1. If everyone in the building knew of you.

Well, the real problem lies in the fact that maybe NO ONE ALIVE HAS SEEN ME, there's just a few people who earnestly believe I inhabit an unknown office on an unknown floor.

1. If that message "on a couple bathroom walls" was the bestseller of all time.

Did you know that there have been many bestsellers! Many of them are fiction, too! I remember reading Stephen King's "The Stand" back in junior high. It was, if I recall, on the NYT bestseller list in, what 1990? It even mentioned real places like Las Vegas!

You can imagine that I believed every single word of it was literally true! I fear when "Captain Trips" strikes! But I'm ever watchful for the "Walkin' Man". OooooOOoo!

1. If your own son died in the lobby of the building proclaiming your message.

Well, to be fair, my only son, who was actually me in a different form that was not really different, was said to have died in the lobby. No one working in the building there today was around when this supposedly happened. One janitor came along a couple hundred years after the event and said he thought he found a mark in the marble floor that looked kinda like a knick, so he assumed this was where the deed was done. And a shrine was put up in that place.

Get the picture?

Yeah, I get the picture. Do you?

 

[Soul Searcher]

So when you look up at Andromeda, do you think of the greatness of Perseus slaying Neptune's sea monster and saving Andromeda chained to a rock? How does that work into your daily worship?

Looks like you have mixed Greek and Roman mythology together. Neptune is from Roman mythology the others are Greek. Should be Poseidon in this case.

 

[AV1611VET]

So when you look up at Andromeda, do you think of the greatness of Perseus slaying Neptune's sea monster and saving Andromeda chained to a rock?

No --- Andromeda = Israel in Bondage.

Once again, get and read God's Voice in the Stars, by Kenneth C. Fleming.

It answers questions like:

1. Why did God have Adam name the animals; but He, Himself named the stars?
2. What is the answer to the Riddle of the Sphynx?
3. What did the 3 hours of darkness during Jesus' crucifixion reveal in the "night" sky?
4. Why should we use the Hebrew interpretation of the constellations, and not the Greek?
5. Are Gemini really twins, or are they one and the same Person?

 

[thaumaturgy]

Looks like you have mixed Greek and Roman mythology together. Neptune is from Roman mythology the others are Greek. Should be Poseidon in this case.

My bad! It's hard to keep everyone's mythology straight!

 

[thaumaturgy]

No --- Andromeda = Israel in Bondage.

Where in the Andromeda story is that, exactly?

Once again, get and read God's Voice in the Stars, by Kenneth C. Fleming.

No thanks, I'll play "AV" for a second and say I don't care much for astrology or things that sound like astrology. I simply don't have time to waste on garbage.

It answers questions like:

1. Why did God have Adam name the animals; but He, Himself named the stars?

Because God was commanded by some higher authority?

1. What is the answer to the Riddle of the Sphynx?

"Man". As you would know from reading Oedipus.

1. Why should we use the Hebrew interpretation of the constellations, and not the Greek?

Because it supports your "JudeoChristian Centric" view of the entirety of human history?

1. Are Gemini really twins, or are they one and the same Person?

Oh deep! I wonder if there is anything other than Christianity that could possibly come up with such interesting thoughts on the nature of the 'self'!!!

Nah, couldn't possibly be. It wasn't until about 2000 years ago that anyone produced anythign of value in the entire human race when they started writing about Jesus. Everything that came before and everything afterwards that failed to mention Jesus, was merely a waste of time.

Selah!

 

[AV1611VET]

Where in the Andromeda story is that, exactly?

Ya --- make your jokes. Then you'll wonder why you don't understand anything.

No thanks, I'll play "AV" for a second and say I don't care much for astrology or things that sound like astrology. I simply don't have time to waste on garbage.

Couldn't resist that, could you? Especially knowing how much God is against Astrology.

Because God was commanded by some higher authority?

You guys are a laugh-a-minute --- you know it?

"Man". As you would know from reading Oedipus.

So now that I mention the Greek interpretation leading to incorrect conclusions, and we should use the Hebrew interpretation; this is all you're gonna do now --- shove Greek down my throat?

Because it supports your "JudeoChristian Centric" view of the entirety of human history?

Either that, or because the Hebrews came before the Greeks.

Oh deep! I wonder if there is anything other than Christianity that could possibly come up with such interesting thoughts on the nature of the 'self'!!!

What?

Nah, couldn't possibly be. It wasn't until about 2000 years ago that anyone produced anythign of value in the entire human race when they started writing about Jesus.

I think someone's sarcasm is getting in the way of someone's comprehension.

Gemini = King of Kings and Lord of Lords --- a Hebrew concept [correctly] applied to the Messiah.

Everything that came before and everything afterwards that failed to mention Jesus, was merely a waste of time.

I get the feeling it's much easier to critique God's handiwork, than it is to read the book, isn't it?

Selah!

You think on it --- if you can get your brain out of the Ioniasphere and think Hebrew - (for once).

 

[Paconious]

You think on it --- if you can get your brain out of the Ioniasphere and think Hebrew - (for once).

Why should Hebrew interpretations of constellations be hailed over Hellenic ones? Hellenic Greece is only two centuries younger than ancient Israel. Moreover, how are the interpretations different? Why is someones delusion of a object in the night sky, made possible by a arbitrary human allignment of stars, be hailed over someone elses imaginary, superimposed image in the same sky?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why should Hebrew interpretations of constellations be hailed over Hellenic ones?

Because the Hebrew interpretations tell the same Gospel story as the one found in the Bible.

Look at Psalm 19 ---

1 ¶ [To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.] The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
7 ¶ The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

Notice that the Psalm starts out talking about objects in outer space declaring something; then all of a sudden, starting at verse 7, it cuts to the written Word?

Some used to think this was two different Psalms, but it's not. It was written that way on purpose.

The plan of salvation was first written in the stars, before it was written by mans' hands.

God never left this earth without it.

 

[Paconious]

Because the Hebrew interpretations tell the same Gospel story as the one found in the Bible.

Look at Psalm 19 ---

Okly dokly. I was just looking for the train of thought guiding your claims. I appreciate the answer.

 

[AV1611VET]

Okly dokly. I was just looking for the train of thought guiding your claims. I appreciate the answer.

You're very welcome.

[I'm not crazy though --- if that's what you're thinking. You can ask any of Napoleon's men, and they'll vouch for me.]

 

[Assyrian]

From my reading of Psalm 19, David is going from the regularity and reliability of God's laws governing the motion of the heavens to the perfection and reliability of God's laws. Where does this 'gospel in the stars' idea come from anyway because don't see it in the bible. Who came up with the idea Andromeda = Israel in Bondage?

 

[AV1611VET]

From my reading of Psalm 19, David is going from the regularity and reliability of God's laws governing the motion of the heavens to the perfection and reliability of God's laws. Where does this 'gospel in the stars' idea come from anyway because don't see it in the bible. Who came up with the idea Andromeda = Israel in Bondage?

Believe me --- it's long, and it's deep.

The book God's Voice in the Stars covers it quite well.

Basically though, he points out that God, Who made the stars, didn't just haphazardly throw them out there. He placed them out there in a sequence of 12 constellations - (called Mazzaroth in Job 38:32) - starting with Virgo (the Virgin [Mary]), and ending with Leo - (the Lion [of the Tribe of Judah]).

When Jesus died on the Cross, Aries - (the Lamb of God) - was seen over It.

The Greeks called Mazzaroth the Zodiac, and put their own interpretations on the individual constellations.

Changing Aries, for example, to a Ram.

 

[Assyrian]

You would have to show that the Jewish idea of Ares being a lamb rather than a ram predated the pagan zodiac sign, but we don't have that much ancient Jewish literature and it isn't in the bible. It raises an interesting question of the Jewish passover (which is the date Christ was crucified) being based around a lamb sacrificed under the sign of Aries. Did God adopt a much more ancient tradition when he gave them their passover?

I doubt the constellation Aries would have been seen over the cross. It went dark for three hours when Christ was crucified. A solar eclipse might make the stars visible, but that would last for minutes not three hours. Three hours of darkness would need clouds or dust blocking the sun.

There is a possibility there was a lunar eclipse at that time, which church fathers quote from Greek sources, but you don't get both lunar and solar eclipse at the same time.

So when do the Jewish ideas of Virgin and Lion of Judah date from? It sounds Medieval kabbalah to me, but that would mean pagan zodiac signs predate the earliest Jewish references.

 

[MasterOfKrikkit]

Says you --- get an education before you take on someone who does have one.

Sproing! goes my irony meter.

I sure do --- it's in pictographic notation in the night sky.

Read God's Voice in the Stars, by Kenneth C. Fleming.

OK, I might just do that. But, then again, why? I might be convinced, of course, but I might not. If I happen to think its arguments are weak and fallacious, then what? And if I read this book, will you read anything we suggest, in return (like scientific articles)?