Is there salvation without Mary?

[b4jesustoday]

Jesus Christ founded a church to continue His ministry thru the Peter the apostles and their successors to teach, govern, and sanctify with the same mission, power, and authority as Christ!

Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1

Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13

Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

 

[b4jesustoday]

Christ continues His ministry thru Peter the apostles and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!

Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

 

[thecolorsblend]

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[robycop3]

While I do believe St. Mary is the Ark of New Covenant and the spiritual mother of all believers, I don't think she plays any role in our Salvation in the manner Jesus does.

The punishment endured by Jesus is applicable to all humans, no matter how many billions are there or the time they lived ( OT versus NT) , because Jesus is infinite God and He transcends space and time. I don't see Mary, a created being, fits here.

I do believe the intercession of St. Mary is necessary to complete our faith and she is called, rightfully, as the the gate to heaven, answer to the OP is no.

Mary has absolutely nothing to do with our faith nor our salvation. She's dead, & while her soul lives in paradise, she doesn't know nor care what happens here until she returns here with Jesus.

 

[renniks]

Is there salvation without Mary?

is she the mother of our salvation?

our hope?

Mary who? Did Mary die for your salvation?

 

[robycop3]

Christ continues His ministry thru Peter the apostles and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!

Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

No they don't. No one made NT Scripture but Jesus & the apostles. No one regularly works miracles today.

 

[b4jesustoday]

Then there is no new covenant no grace no salvation

 

[James A]

Mary has absolutely nothing to do with our faith nor our salvation. She's dead, & while her soul lives in paradise, she doesn't know nor care what happens here until she returns here with Jesus.

As I stated in the previous post, Mary does not play a role in our Salvation in the manner Jesus does however, let me explain some of the terms I used ( hope this wont divert the thread)

1) Ark of Old Covenant had Aarons rod, Manna and the tablets on which ten commandments were written. Thus the one, Mary, who Bore Christ who is the priest, manna and law of New Covenant is honored as Ark of New Covenant.

2) Early theologians teach Christ exalted Mary as the spiritual mother all believers when he entrusted her to John - Behold thy mother.

How do you know that she doesn't know what happens now? Are we saying that the parable of Lazarus and rich man was a lie when it stated that a departed soul is concerned about the well being of its relatives on Earth?

 

[Toro]

Mary was NOT the point.

Jesus was.

Mary was the one that God used, by her free will to bring Jesus into the world.

If not for Mary, it would have been another woman, by her free will that God would have used so Jesus would be brought into this world in our flesh so that He would overcome it.

The constant is Jesus and the Father.... not Jesus and the mother.

Just as we all make choices today that dictate how much God uses us.... how much do we pursue and take His words seriously..... vs how much would we rather sit on the internet watching Netflix... etc.

Mary made her choice and God used her to do His will. The same way He will use us to do His will.

It is not about us, any more than it was about Mary, but what He does through us.

 

[b4jesustoday]

God makes Mary the point!

Jesus is not known cos Mary is not known!

Gen 3:15 Mary is the promise!
Is 7:14 Mary is the sign!
Rev 12:1 Mary is the sign!

another woman really? That’s impossible!

We thru Adam lost the grace of salvation, Mary found it! Lk 1:28 “full of Grace” Lk 1:30 found favor with God!

To what other woman does it say
Lk1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

 

[robycop3]

Mary is worthy ONLY for recognition as the earthly mom of Jesus. Otherwise, she did nothing special, nor does she hold any office besides Christian.

And again, in paradise, she doesn't know nor care what goes on here. As for the rich man in 'torments' in Jesus' parable, he only REMEMBERED his bros. He didn't know what they were doing.

 

[concretecamper]

Mary is worthy ONLY for recognition as the earthly mom of Jesus. Otherwise, she did nothing special, nor does she hold any office besides Christian.

And again, in paradise, she doesn't know nor care what goes on here. As for the rich man in 'torments' in Jesus' parable, he only REMEMBERED his bros. He didn't know what they were doing.

really?

Luke 15:7 I say to you that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance, more than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Mary is worthy ONLY for recognition as the earthly mom of Jesus. Otherwise, she did nothing special, nor does she hold any office besides Christian.

 

[Photini83]

Mary is worthy ONLY for recognition as the earthly mom of Jesus. Otherwise, she did nothing special, nor does she hold any office besides Christian.

And again, in paradise, she doesn't know nor care what goes on here. As for the rich man in 'torments' in Jesus' parable, he only REMEMBERED his bros. He didn't know what they were doing.

If Jesus was not God Incarnate in the womb, then humanity is not reconciled to God. You also have to deny Scripture when Elizabeth referred to Mary as the mother of her Lord, and considered it a great blessing to be visited by her.
If you think God can physically live inside someone and not alter them -- sanctify them, then how little you must think of His power. If the temple itself sanctified the gold, as Christ said when He was chastising the Pharisees in Matthew, how much more would God Himself sanctify the womb that bore Him?
And Samuel, Revelation, Hebrews, and Christ Himself beg to differ that the departed don't know or care what's going on in the earthly realm.
Christ Himself said God is not a God of the dead, but of the living. Samuel knew what Saul was up to, Hebrews says we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses (remember the Hall of Faith in the preceding chapter--supposedly long-dead people), and Revelation talks about the prayers of the saints. Who are they praying for? Themselves?

 

[robycop3]

really?

Luke 15:7 I say to you that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance, more than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance.

Nuffin to do with Mary.

 

[robycop3]

If Jesus was not God Incarnate in the womb, then humanity is not reconciled to God. You also have to deny Scripture when Elizabeth referred to Mary as the mother of her Lord, and considered it a great blessing to be visited by her.
If you think God can physically live inside someone and not alter them -- sanctify them, then how little you must think of His power. If the temple itself sanctified the gold, as Christ said when He was chastising the Pharisees in Matthew, how much more would God Himself sanctify the womb that bore Him?
And Samuel, Revelation, Hebrews, and Christ Himself beg to differ that the departed don't know or care what's going on in the earthly realm.
Christ Himself said God is not a God of the dead, but of the living. Samuel knew what Saul was up to, Hebrews says we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses (remember the Hall of Faith in the preceding chapter--supposedly long-dead people), and Revelation talks about the prayers of the saints. Who are they praying for? Themselves?

The souls of the dead are in hades right now, either paradise or torments. Thet have no influence upon anything on earth any more. And prayers to the dead don't go past the ceiling.

 

[Fidelibus]

Mary is worthy ONLY for recognition as the earthly mom of Jesus. Otherwise, she did nothing special, nor does she hold any office besides Christian.

If Mary only bore the flesh of Jesus, then where was the Divinity? When did Jesus become both fully human and fully Divine?

 

[Photini83]

The souls of the dead are in hades right now, either paradise or torments. Thet have no influence upon anything on earth any more. And prayers to the dead don't go past the ceiling.

Whatever floats your boat.

 

[concretecamper]

The souls of the dead are in hades right now, either paradise or torments. Thet have no influence upon anything on earth any more. And prayers to the dead don't go past the ceiling.

unbiblical beliefs

Nuffin to do with Mary.

really? YOU said:

And again, in paradise, she doesn't know nor care what goes on here.

Scripture says otherwise
Luke 15:7 I say to you that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance, more than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance.

 

[robycop3]

unbiblical beliefs


really? YOU said:

Scripture says otherwise
Luke 15:7 I say to you that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance, more than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance.

Boy, are YOU mixed up !

Jesus told the repentant thief on the cross he'd be with Jesus in PARADISE. Paradise isn't heaven; it's the area in hades where the souls of the righteous go. It's an intermediate place where the souls of the righteous reside til Jesus calls them to return to earth with Him.

And please show me a Scripture where the dead hear prayers !

And there's joy in HEAVEN, not paradise, when a lost person becomes saved.