Is there really going to be an end time revival?

[Trish1947]

Jim M...I do not believe scripture explicitly teaches that there will be an endtime revival. Personally I doubt it. Anyhow, I don’t have a clue what someone means when they say “revival” – definitions of what it is are subjective and vary from person to person.

In the Book of Joel, I think it's future.. where He will pour out His spirit on all flesh..I believe this to be futuristic because since Christ, people have died without the Spirit. And the Bible talks about the former, and latter rains..Even in the Jesus movement, not all we're filled. I believe when He says ALL, he means just that. There are scriptures that suggest that there is something larger coming, because every one of these scriptures talks of the former rain moderatley, then the latter rain...Job 29:23, Pro 16:15, Joe 2:23 , Jam 5:7, Hsa 6:3...Possibly when He subjects all things to Himself.
I don't think this is a small "revival", but one that needs to come.

And that scripture that says, if He hadn't left us a seed, we would have been like Sodom and Ghamorrah.

 

[JimB]

Yep, I know that passage well (being a former AG pastor) and have taught it many times … the former and latter rain and all. It’s a good shoutin’ text in a Pentecostal church. Only Peter said, when he quoted that verse on the day of Penetcost, “THIS is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.” He did not say “This is some o’ dat” or “This is partially that” or “This is the former rain of that.” He said that what was happening on that day was THAT!!

So, IMO, Joel’s prophecy has been fulfilled or Peter only got it half right.

IMO

~Jim

 

[NewSong]

Yep, I know that passage well (being a former AG pastor) and have taught it many times … the former and latter rain and all. It’s a good shoutin’ text in a Pentecostal church. Only Peter said, when he quoted that verse on the day of Penetcost, “THIS is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.” He did not say “This is some o’ dat” or “This is partially that” or “This is the former rain of that.” He said that what was happening on that day was THAT!!

So, IMO, Joel’s prophecy has been fulfilled or Peter only got it half right.

IMO

~Jim

I am also of that opinion. When I was in all the "move of God" of recent years in the 90's, this was the number one theme for all the evangelists and I read the Bible for myself and done all the cross-referencing and found that I was of that opinion as well, but I thought I was the only one until this posting. It is hard for me to shake the idea away and get real and honest about what I know GOD spoke to me in secret and provoked me to study out myself. It is hard to admit that all those services may have taught something that gave me false hope. I am not puttin' my hope in an idea of end time revival, outpouring, or whatever you call it. It feels so bad to admit that I was looking forward to it and to the refreshing. Guess it will have to be done without all the fanfare of the public arena and in my home.

I do know that God was spoke to me also about the endtime harvest about the laborers being few for the harvest. Having said that, I don't know whether that will come from an endtime revival or if we are in progress but I know I have a lot of questions about the "Harvest being plenty but the laborers are few." Perhaps another topic another thread and meant for the particular town Jesus was in?

Just sorting through the thoughts that flick through my head.
Matthew 9

35Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness. 36When he saw the crowds, he had compassion on them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd. 37Then he said to his disciples, "The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few. 38Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field."

 

[JimB]

I am of the opinion that the church (universal) is in better shape than it ever has been, doing more of the works of Christ, expanding the borders of the Kingdom of God further than ever before and getting closer to the spirit of the New Testament than ever. An objective reading of church history – just American church history - without the mythical embellishments fundamentalists have added through the decades and you will thank God you are a Christian in 2005.

Maybe we are in the “revival” already and just do not have the eyes to see it.

~Jim

 

[Trish1947]

Yep, I know that passage well (being a former AG pastor) and have taught it many times … the former and latter rain and all. It’s a good shoutin’ text in a Pentecostal church. Only Peter said, when he quoted that verse on the day of Penetcost, “THIS is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.” He did not say “This is some o’ dat” or “This is partially that” or “This is the former rain of that.” He said that what was happening on that day was THAT!!


I have heard that too, but tell me, who got the former rain?

 

[JimB]

Yep, I know that passage well (being a former AG pastor) and have taught it many times … the former and latter rain and all. It’s a good shoutin’ text in a Pentecostal church. Only Peter said, when he quoted that verse on the day of Penetcost, “THIS is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.” He did not say “This is some o’ dat” or “This is partially that” or “This is the former rain of that.” He said that what was happening on that day was THAT!!

I have heard that too, but tell me, who got the former rain?

Actually, Joel said that the Spirit would be poured out “afterward” (v.2.28), that is to say “after” the “former and latter rain” (v.2.23). So apparently both the former and the latter rain happened before Pentecost.

But personally, I do not necessarily see some metaphorical meaning in the autumn and spring rains in v.23. The verse says, “Be glad, O people of Zion, rejoice in the LORD your God, for he has given you the autumn rains in righteousness. He sends you abundant showers, both autumn and spring rains, as before.”

It seems pretty plain to me that Joel is telling the people people of Israel that they should be grateful that through the years the Lord has given them ample rain in both of the rainy seasons. Pentecostals have added a metaphorical meaning to something that, IMO, was never meant to be figure of speech at all.

~Jim

 

[Trish1947]

Jim M...Actually, Joel said that the Spirit would be poured out “afterward” (v.2.28), that is to say “after” the “former and latter rain” (v.2.23). So apparently both the former and the latter rain happened before Pentecost.

To me this does not go along with the the "this is that", statement. If this is that, spoken by Joel, and the Bible says that at sundry times, men were moved by the Holy Spirit to write the scriptures, and just a few men such as the prophets and deliverers that were sent, the Holy Spirit wasn't given to the masses. To me this would not discribe the former and latter rains. So that lets the "all flesh" out. Jesus said unless I go away the Spirit can't come. I don't think all the scriptures that say the same thing about a former and latter rain has to do with harvest of actual crops, such as these scriptures: ...Job 29:23, Pro 16:15, Joe 2:23 , Jam 5:7, Hsa 6:3.... and that's alot of time spent on talking farming.

 

[enoch son]

It started over a year ago. Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Trish1947]

Enoch Son..It started over a year ago. Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Really? A year ago?